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   Insane, anti-science radical right wing foaming at the mouth bozos erupt in   
   spastic frenzy's as they claim that science is not really science, but religion   
   and that "real" science should eminate from the minds of right wing   
   politicians, unqualified charlatans, energy industry shills and former tobacco   
   industry PR men.   Most of the deniers are pin heads who don't understand basic   
   science.  They frequently confuse weather with climate and constantly repeat   
   lies, no matter how many times they have been debunked with facts refuting   
   them.   
      
   Few of the deniers have jobs, they sit around all day at their computers jibber   
   jabbering with each other on Usenet swapping the same insane lies.   
      
   According to the University of East Anglia, the stolen documents and e-mails   
   had been selected deliberately to undermine the strong consensus that human   
   activity is affecting the world's climate in ways that are potentially   
   dangerous. The university said in a statement: "The selective publication of   
   some stolen e-mails and other papers taken out of context is mischievous and   
   cannot be considered a genuine attempt to engage with this issue in a   
   responsible way".   
      
   The CRU's researchers said in a statement that the e-mails had been taken out   
   of context and merely reflected an honest exchange of ideas.[9] Phil Jones,   
   Director of the Climatic Research Unit, called the charges that the emails   
   involve any "untoward" activity "ludicrous." Michael Mann, director of   
   Pennsylvania State University's Earth System Science Center, said that sceptics   
   were "taking these words totally out of context to make something trivial   
   appear nefarious", and called the entire incident a careful, "high-level,   
   orchestrated smear campaign to distract the public about the nature of the   
   climate change problem." Kevin E. Trenberth of the National Center for   
   Atmospheric Research said that he was appalled at the release of the e-mails   
   but thought that it might backfire against climate sceptics, as the messages   
   would show "the integrity of scientists." He has also said that the theft may   
   be aimed at undermining talks at the December, 2009 Copenhagen global climate   
   summit.   
      
   Computerworld magazine cited the view of the RealClimate blog that what was not   
   contained in the e-mails was the most interesting element: "There is no   
   evidence of any worldwide conspiracy, no mention of George Soros nefariously   
   funding climate research, no grand plan to 'get rid of the MWP' [Medieval Warm   
   Period], no admission that global warming is a hoax, no evidence of the   
   falsifying of data, and no 'marching orders' from our   
   socialist/communist/vegetarian overlords."   
      
   The science historian Spencer R. Weart, interviewed in the Washington Post,   
   commented that the theft of the e-mails and the reaction to them was "a symptom   
   of something entirely new in the history of science: Aside from crackpots who   
   complain that a conspiracy is suppressing their personal discoveries, we've   
   never before seen a set of people accuse an entire community of scientists of   
   deliberate deception and other professional malfeasance. Even the tobacco   
   companies never tried to slander legitimate cancer researchers."   
      
   The Daily Telegraph reported that academics and climate change researchers have   
   dismissed allegations from sceptics that the emails are evidence of a collusion   
   or international conspiracy, saying that nothing in the emails proves   
   wrongdoing.   
      
   The American Association for the Advancement of Science has "expressed concern   
   that the hacked emails would weaken global resolve to curb greenhouse-gas   
   emissions".   
      
   The American Meteorological Society stated that the incident did not affect the   
   society's position on climate change. They pointed to the breadth of evidence   
   for human influence on climate, stating "For climate change research, the body   
   of research in the literature is very large and the dependence on any one set   
   of research results to the comprehensive understanding of the climate system is   
   very, very small. Even if some of the charges of improper behavior in this   
   particular case turn out to be true ? which is not yet clearly the case ? the   
   impact on the science of climate change would be very limited."   
      
   The Union of Concerned Scientists was strongly critical of climate change   
   sceptics using the stolen e-mails to attack climate science, commenting:   
   "Unfortunately for these conspiracy theorists, what the e-mails show are simply   
   scientists at work, grappling with key issues, and displaying the full range of   
   emotions and motivations characteristic of any urgent endeavor. Any suggestions   
   that these e-mails will affect public and policymakers' understanding of   
   climate science give far too much credence to blog chatter and boastful spin   
   from groups opposed to addressing climate change."   
      
   Climatologist James Hansen said that the controversy has "no effect on the   
   science" and that while some of the e-mails reflect poor judgement, the   
   evidence for human-made climate change is overwhelming.   
      
   George Monbiot said that while he did not see the vast conspiracy that global   
   warming sceptics saw, he did see this as a "major blow" and that "emails   
   extracted by a hacker from the climatic research unit at the University of East   
   Anglia could scarcely be more damaging". Moreover, Monbiot was concerned with   
   what he saw as attempts to conceal and even destroy data that was subject to a   
   freedom of information request and collusion to prevent peer reviewed   
   publication by climate sceptics.   
      
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