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      https://englandcalling.wordpress.com/2016/10/17/brexit-the-threa       -from-the-remainersand-how-to-refute-and-defeat-them/                     Brexit: The threat from the Remainers…and how to refute and defeat them       Posted on October 17, 2016 by Robert Henderson       Robert Henderson              The anti-democratic behaviour of the remainers over the EU referendum vote is       not a surprise but the brazenness and crudity of their attempts is still       shocking and deeply worrying because a majority of those with power and       public influence in the        UK – politicians, academics, mediafolk or the hodge podge of those working       for think tanks and charities – are remainers at heart. That applies to       the people at the very head of the government for none of the holders of the       four great offices of        state is a sincere Brexiteer. We have a PM (Theresa May) , Chancellor       (Philip Hammond) and Home Secretary(Amber Rudd) who are by temperament,        conviction and public statement Europhiles and a foreign Secretary (Boris       Johnson) who is a slippery        careerist liable to change his position back to remainer anytime he thinks it       will benefit him. In addition, Theresa May is the worst sort of remainer,       namely, a cowardly one, whose taste for duplicity was shown during the       Referendum campaign when she         wanted to have her political cake and eat it by saying she was for remaining       in the EU whilst doing precious little campaigning for a remain vote.              It is true that May has appointed two ministers( David Davies and Liam Fox       )who are solid supporters of Brexit to oversee the day-to-day progress of       Brexit, but they could well turn out to be window dressing to enable May to       allay the suspicions of        those who want Brexit that she is working towards arranging a deal with the EU       for the UK to remain stitched into the fabric of the EU. Once Article 50 is       triggered May could decide to dump them or adopt such an obstructive stance        prompt them to        resign. Once Article 50 goes live that gives her two years breathing space       to subvert the aims of Brexit and provides ample opportunity to claim that       concessions on things such as free movement or paying a fee for access to       the single market will        have to be made. We already have hints of this in the priming of the media        with stories about how all existing EU immigrants to the UK – all 3,.6       million of them – will be allowed to stay.              UKip’s immediate purpose              The potential grip the remainers have on the Brexit process means that is       essential for May and Co to be kept under the tightest scrutiny until the        UK is out of the EU . That is Ukip’s immediate purpose. To this end       everything possible should        be done to try to persuade Nigel Farage to stay on until Brexit is secured.              The Government must be pressed whenever it fails to commit itself to these       lines in the sand: no free movement or any other restriction by the EU on       the UK’s ability to control her borders; an end to the jurisdiction of       the European Court of        Justice over the UK; no payment by the UK of money to the EU for any reason       and an end to the European Arrest Warrant . In addition, whenever,       politicians, especially those on the government side, try to water down the       idea of Brexit through vague and        ambiguous wording, this should be made a matter of public comment and       record. Those who seek to subvert the will of the British people should be       forced to live in a mental world in which they know that any attempt to       deliver less than the Brexit        promised by the referendum question will be exposed for what it is, profoundly       anti-democratic behaviour which not so long ago would have been called       treason.              Lines in the sand              The idea that lines in the sand make for a weak bargaining position does not       stand up. Giving away your hand before negotiating is only weakness if one       side of a negotiation gives up important ground before negotiations begin. .       David Cameron did that        with his “negotiation” with the EU before the referendum. Cameron not       only failed to have any lines in the sand he signalled his weakness by not       asking for a radical deal on free movement. The lines in the sand listed above       are signs of strength        which say this is what we cannot concede. Such a stance would either drive the       rest of the EU to decide that the best thing would be to get the UK out of the       EU as quickly as possible by rapidly agreeing to a reasonable deal or       prompt the rest of        the EU hierarchy to show their true colours of being utterly hostile to the       UK . This should force the UK government to see the only way forward is to       simply leave and trade under WTO rules as John Redwood amongst others has       advocated.              Within the general scrutiny there is the task of rigorously rebutting the        particular claims of the remainers as to why the referendum should not be       accepted. This can be readily done by sticking to the facts and following the       logic of what a        referendum implies for Parliament. Let me demonstrate.              The lie at the heart of the remainers argument              Contrary to what the remainers are now claiming voters knew precisely what       they were voting for. The clue is in the ballot paper question (which was put       forward by the Electoral Commission) :              “Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave       the European Union?”              The ballot question did not ask should the United Kingdom remain a member of       the European Union or seek whether she should seek another status such as that       of Norway or Switzerland. It does not say that there should be another       referendum on whatever        terms are agreed. There is no equivocation whatsoever; the choice was out       or in. If the UK had left the EU the day after the vote and traded under       WTO rules or even simply declared UDI either behaviour would have been in       accord with the        referendum question.              In addition, the European Union Referendum Act makes no provision for a       second referendum on the terms of withdrawal. There is good reason for this,       the question on the ballot paper was crystal clear: leave means leave.              The electors did not understand                     [continued in next message]              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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