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   From: Sh@dow.br   
      
   On Fri, 30 Mar 2018 20:59:10 -0700 (PDT), Ed Stasiak   
    wrote:   
      
   >> Shadow   
   >> > Ed Stasiak   
   >> >   
   >> > No, before they’re judged to be crazy and stripped of their   
   >> > Constitutional and human rights, or are you opposed to the   
   >> > concept of due process?   
   >>   
   >> Psychosis is a medical condition, BTW. I don't believe judges   
   >> have the necessary training to determine who is or who isn't   
   >> psychotic. It's why in Switzerland the screening is done by the   
   >> State Medical System.   
   >>   
   >> Very few judges would rule that permitting a medically certified   
   >> psychotic or sociopath to buy a gun is a "Constitutional and   
   >> human right".   
   >   
   >It's the same here.  The judges are basing their decision on the   
   >findings of psychiatrists who are brought in to exam the subject   
   >who is accused of being crazy.  The judges are not personally   
   >carrying out psychological exams themselves.   
      
   	Nobody will ever ACCUSED of being crazy. It's like being   
   ACCUSED of being 5 ft 10". A patient either is psychotic or is not   
   psychotic. It's NOT a criminal offence. So no need for a defense   
   lawyer. If you disagree with an evaluation, just apply for another by   
   a different professional.   
   	He/she didn't measure me right. I'm 6'4", NOT 5'10".   
   	"No problem. We'll send you to another professional measurer"   
   ...... "Hey, you're right, you ARE 6'4". Corrected. Here's your   
   license to buy really long beds."   
   >   
   >But that’s not what we’re talking about, what the anti-gun fundies   
   >want is to bypass due process completely and allow random,   
   >nameless and faceless government bureaucrats (who I’ll point   
   >out, also aren’t trained psychiatrists…) to delete any American’s   
   >Constitutional and human rights with the click of a mouse.   
      
   	No, that's not what I was saying. A lot on the police force   
   and other government bureaucrats are psychopaths/sociopaths. No way   
   they should be the ones to examine the applicants.   
   >   
   >Essentially, they want to implement a blanket “Do Not Fly List” on   
   >a nation wide basis applying to guns with no arrests, no prosecution,   
   >no judges, no defense lawyers, no psych exams.  No Due Process.   
      
   	I don't care what "they" want. A simple 2 hour mental   
   examination every two years or so by a trained STATE psychiatrist   
   would wean out most of (but not all - obviously) the people that are   
   more likely to use guns to commit crimes. And anybody too scared to be   
   examined should automatically have his permit to purchase guns (and   
   his guns) confiscated.   
   	Who on earth would be scared to do a psych exam that could   
   save thousands of lives other than a seriously mentally ill citizen ?   
   	I do them every time I renew my driver's license. My gardener   
   failed his. He asked for a re-evaluation. Failed again. He IS a   
   sociopath, so the doctors got that one right. Note the second doctor   
   never gets to know it's a re-evaluation, so there is no bias.   
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