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From: Sh@dow.br
On Sat, 31 Mar 2018 13:00:42 -0400, moviePig
wrote:
>On 3/31/2018 11:45 AM, Shadow wrote:
>> On Fri, 30 Mar 2018 20:59:10 -0700 (PDT), Ed Stasiak
>> wrote:
>>
>>>> Shadow
>>>>> Ed Stasiak
>>>>>
>>>>> No, before they’re judged to be crazy and stripped of their
>>>>> Constitutional and human rights, or are you opposed to the
>>>>> concept of due process?
>>>>
>>>> Psychosis is a medical condition, BTW. I don't believe judges
>>>> have the necessary training to determine who is or who isn't
>>>> psychotic. It's why in Switzerland the screening is done by the
>>>> State Medical System.
>>>>
>>>> Very few judges would rule that permitting a medically certified
>>>> psychotic or sociopath to buy a gun is a "Constitutional and
>>>> human right".
>>>
>>> It's the same here. The judges are basing their decision on the
>>> findings of psychiatrists who are brought in to exam the subject
>>> who is accused of being crazy. The judges are not personally
>>> carrying out psychological exams themselves.
>>
>> Nobody will ever ACCUSED of being crazy. It's like being
>> ACCUSED of being 5 ft 10". A patient either is psychotic or is not
>> psychotic. It's NOT a criminal offence. So no need for a defense
>> lawyer. If you disagree with an evaluation, just apply for another by
>> a different professional.
>> He/she didn't measure me right. I'm 6'4", NOT 5'10".
>> "No problem. We'll send you to another professional measurer"
>> ...... "Hey, you're right, you ARE 6'4". Corrected. Here's your
>> license to buy really long beds."
>>>
>>> But that’s not what we’re talking about, what the anti-gun fundies
>>> want is to bypass due process completely and allow random,
>>> nameless and faceless government bureaucrats (who I’ll point
>>> out, also aren’t trained psychiatrists…) to delete any American’s
>>> Constitutional and human rights with the click of a mouse.
>>
>> No, that's not what I was saying. A lot on the police force
>> and other government bureaucrats are psychopaths/sociopaths. No way
>> they should be the ones to examine the applicants.
>>>
>>> Essentially, they want to implement a blanket “Do Not Fly List” on
>>> a nation wide basis applying to guns with no arrests, no prosecution,
>>> no judges, no defense lawyers, no psych exams. No Due Process.
>>
>> I don't care what "they" want. A simple 2 hour mental
>> examination every two years or so by a trained STATE psychiatrist
>> would wean out most of (but not all - obviously) the people that are
>> more likely to use guns to commit crimes. And anybody too scared to be
>> examined should automatically have his permit to purchase guns (and
>> his guns) confiscated.
>> Who on earth would be scared to do a psych exam that could
>> save thousands of lives other than a seriously mentally ill citizen ?
>> I do them every time I renew my driver's license. My gardener
>> failed his. He asked for a re-evaluation. Failed again. He IS a
>> sociopath, so the doctors got that one right. Note the second doctor
>> never gets to know it's a re-evaluation, so there is no bias.
>
>Wait... your driver's exam includes a psych test? Of what sort?
Standard. IQ test, frustration levels, neurological
coordination, cognitive tests followed by a face-to-face interview.
Every 5 years. The interview is only mandatory for a
professional drivers's license, or when the first battery of written
exams shows strong psychopathic tendencies.
My gardener was a school bus driver. That requires a
professional licence. He was considered a "danger to himself and
others", by two independent evaluations. Why he's a gardener now.
He no longer has the "constitutional right" to kill and maim
children. I suppose he could use an axe ..... hum, maybe I should lock
them up somewhere.
TY. I'll do that.
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