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   Michael Ejercito to Loose Cannon   
   =?UTF-8?Q?Re:_Further_Ethics_Observation   
   12 Jan 26 18:37:06   
   
   XPost: talk.politics.misc, soc.culture.usa, soc.culture.israel   
   From: MEjercit@HotMail.com   
      
   Loose Cannon wrote:   
   > On Mon, 12 Jan 2026 10:09:00 -0800, Michael Ejercito   
   >  wrote:   
   >   
   >> Loose Cannon wrote:   
   >>> On Thu, 8 Jan 2026 08:22:37 -0800, Michael Ejercito   
   >>>  wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>> https://ethicsalarms.com/2026/01/08/further-ethics-observat   
   ons-on-the-i-c-e-shooting-in-minneapolis-1-the-right-and-wrong-i   
   nt-in-question/   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Further Ethics Observations On the I.C.E. Shooting In Minneapolis…#1:   
   >>>> The Right and Wrong Isn’t In Question   
   >>>> January 8, 2026 / Jack Marshall   
   >>>> The Trump Administration, I.C.E., and those standing for the enforcement   
   >>>> of the law are in the right, with the ethics of this incident and its   
   >>>> context entirely on their side. The pro-open borders Left, including the   
   >>>> “resistance,” radical progressives (but I repeat myself…) and the   
   >>>> Democrats as well as the leadership of sanctuary states and cities, are   
   >>>> entirely wrong in theory, practice and conduct. The group in the wrong,   
   >>>> which includes much of the news media, is primarily responsible for the   
   >>>> tragic death of Renee Nicole Good. However, she was part of that group   
   >>>> herself, and bears some of the responsibility for her own death.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>> I do not believe any of the above can be challenged on the facts, nor do   
   >>>> we need to have the results of the investigation to agree on them.   
   >>>> Yesterday, in the comments to this post, commenter John Paul wrote, “I   
   >>>> saw someone on twitter say how you perceive the video is what side of   
   >>>> the political isle you stand on. Now I’m wondering if that’s true and   
   if   
   >>>> I’m looking at it objectively.” If your view includes the essential   
   >>>> principle of the Rule of Law and the duty of our government to enforce   
   >>>> it, as well as the right of law enforcement officers to use deadly force   
   >>>> when they reasonable feel threatened, a principle upheld by the Supreme   
   >>>> Court, then no confirmation bias is necessary or present to reach the   
   >>>> conclusion I just stated.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> There. Next question?   
   >>>>   
   >>>> There are several more murky and contentious issues on the ethics side   
   >>>> to examine, not that I am any more equivocal regarding those. To wit..   
   >>>>   
   >>>> 1. DHS, Secretary Noem, and the conservative media have to stop saying   
   >>>> that Good was trying to run down the officer who shot her. It seems   
   >>>> pretty clear that this isn’t true. Nothing in her background indicates   
   >>>> that she was prone to violence, other than the fact the middle-aged   
   >>>> white women in the country appear to be going crazy. She had a   
   >>>> six-tear-old child at home, and was not likely to have been willing to   
   >>>> risk being sent to prison just because he politics were warped in The   
   >>>> Great Stupid.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> 2. That does not mean, however, that the I.C.E. agent who shot her   
   >>>> didn’t have every reason, given the totality of the circumstances, to   
   >>>> fear for his life when a protester’s vehicle seemed to be heading his   
   >>>> way. Apparently there had been other attempted vehicle assaults on the   
   >>>> I.C.E. force that day. The tactic has been used elsewhere. The woman had   
   >>>> refused to obey a lawful order to leave her car.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> 3. As usual, the Axis news media is exacerbating public confusion with   
   >>>> partisan reporting. The New York Times: Videos Contradict Trump   
   >>>> Administration Account of ICE Shooting in Minneapolis: An analysis of   
   >>>> footage from three camera angles show that the vehicle appears to be   
   >>>> turning away from a federal officer as he opened fire. Well, to begin   
   >>>> with, she was shot full in the face, so if the car was driving away from   
   >>>> the officer, Good could spin her head around like Linda Blair in “The   
   >>>> Exorcist.” It doesn’t matter what three angles in slow motion   
   “appear”   
   >>>> to show. What matters is what the I.C.E. officer believed based on his   
   >>>> vantage point.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> 4. The late Norm McDonald once did a stand-up routine about how the   
   >>>> female victims in “48 Hours” true crime episodes were always described   
   >>>> as wonderful, loving people who would never hurt a fly, that everyone   
   >>>> loved, and who were as pure as the driven snow. The Axis news media is   
   >>>> no bombarding the public with similar hagiography about Good. Her   
   >>>> parents—no surprise—say she would never have gotten herself in a   
   >>>> confrontation with I.C.E. The woman drove her car into the middle of an   
   >>>> enforcement scene and had it blocking the path of agents trying to do   
   >>>> their job. Fox News has been reporting that she was indeed one of the   
   >>>> recognized leaders of the protest. Maybe Fox is making that up, but the   
   >>>> fact is that she was there, creating the rebuttable presumption that she   
   >>>> was on the scene for a reason.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> 5. As I wrote in the earlier post: Gov. Walz, the disgusting Mayor Frey,   
   >>>> the sanctuary city nullification radicals, and the open borders   
   >>>> advocates, as well as the Biden Administration that inflicted the   
   >>>> illegal immigration wave on the country, are the major miscreants in the   
   >>>> Good shooting (which was also a good shooting). If local police   
   >>>> protected I.C.E. agents under siege for doing their jobs, which police   
   >>>> had a duty to do, Good would be alive today. Frey and Walz have directed   
   >>>> police not to protect I.C.E. If irresponsible leaders of the Democratic   
   >>>> Party had not been characterizing I.C.E. agents as “Gestapo” and   
   >>>> compared the removal of illegal aliens to the Holocaust, there would not   
   >>>> be so many gullible, emotion-driven fools putting Federal agents at risk.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> 6. It seems clear to me that the Mad Left wants another excuse to hold   
   >>>> mass demonstrations across the country, and that the death of Ms. Good   
   >>>> is just another pretense, like the death of George Floyd. Andy Ngo   
   >>>> reported that at lats night’s Minneapolis protest, the crown started   
   >>>> chanting about how the U.S. was all stolen land, so no immigrant should   
   >>>> be considered illegal.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> 7. The Axis wants protest, wants violence, and wants true insurrection,   
   >>>> not just a one day riot led be drunks wearing horns on their heads. That   
   >>>> is not a fact, but I believe it is awfully clear at this point.   
   >>>>   
      
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