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      XPost: alt.autos, alt.business, sac.politics       XPost: talk.politics.misc       From: fb@bt.co.uk              Imagine turning the key or pressing the start button of your car—and       nothing happens. Not because the battery is dead or the engine is broken       but because a server no longer answers. For a growing number of cars, that       scenario isn’t hypothetical.              As vehicles become platforms for software and subscriptions, their       longevity is increasingly tied to the survival of the companies behind       their code. When those companies fail, the consequences ripple far beyond       a bad app update and into the basic question of whether a car still       functions as a car.              Over the years, automotive software has expanded from performing       rudimentary engine management and onboard diagnostics to powering today’s       interconnected, software-defined vehicles. Smartphone apps can now handle       tasks like unlocking doors, flashing headlights, and preconditioning       cabins—and some models won’t unlock at all unless a phone running the       manufacturer’s app is within range.              However, for all the promised convenience of modern vehicle software,       there’s a growing nostalgia for an era when a phone call to a mechanic       could resolve most problems. Mechanical failures were often diagnosable       and fixable, and cars typically returned to the road quickly. Software-       defined vehicles complicate that model: When something goes wrong, a car       can be rendered inoperable in a driveway—or stranded at the side of the       road—waiting not for parts but a software technician.              It’s already happening       Take the example of Fisker. In May 2023, the California auto brand arrived       in Britain with its Ocean Sport before filing for bankruptcy just one year       later. Priced from £35,000 ($44,000)—although top-spec trims pushed the       price to £60,000 ($75,000)—the all-electric Tesla Model Y rival featured       tech including a partially retracting roof and a rotating BYD-like       touchscreen. All cars also carried a six-year/62,000-mile (99,779 km)       warranty, with the battery and powertrain covered for 10 years or 100,000       miles (160,934 km).              Before Fisker’s 2024 bankruptcy, just 419 Fisker Oceans made it into       British driveways. One unfortunate buyer, a marketing manager from       Southampton, experienced the worst of the brand’s teething troubles. After       taking delivery, her Ocean was plagued by persistent software glitches.       Following a call to Fisker, engineers were dispatched to collect the       vehicle for repairs, but when the car was due to be collected, it refused       to start. Mere days later, Fisker declared insolvency, leaving the Ocean       stranded as a 5,500 lb (2,500 kg) driveway ornament for the next ten       months with no solution in sight.              Preceding Fisker, there was Better Place. Founded in 2007, Better Place       wasn’t a car manufacturer but an EV infrastructure and software company       that promised to solve range anxiety through battery-swap stations. Its       entire model relied on centralized servers, subscriptions, and proprietary       software to authenticate vehicles and manage battery exchanges. The       flagship car for this system was the Renault Fluence Z.E., an electric       sedan sold primarily in Israel and Denmark.              Better Place filed for bankruptcy in May 2013 after burning through $850       million, leading to Renault closing the Fluence Z.E’s Turkish assembly       line. Servers were shut down, battery-swap stations stopped operating, and       backend software used for authentication, charging, and fleet management       disappeared, leaving many cars bricked.              These cases highlight a broader shift in the auto industry, where long-       term ownership is increasingly dependent not just on mechanical durability       but on continued access to proprietary software and manufacturer support.              “When a modern car’s software misbehaves, you don’t fix it yourself—you       call the manufacturer,” said Stuart Masson, founder and editor of The Car       Expert. “They control the code. At that point, you’re not dealing with a       traditional service department so much as an IT help desk.”              That dependence, Masson warned, becomes a critical failure mode when the       manufacturer disappears. “Sooner or later, every owner risks a Fisker-       style scenario, where the company is gone and there’s nothing you can do       about it.”              While informal owner communities have begun attempting to reverse-engineer       and distribute unofficial software updates, Masson is blunt about the       risks. “You’re trusting that someone on the Internet actually knows what       they’re doing,” he said. “If they don’t, the consequences might not be       that Android Auto simply stops working but instead an airbag deploying at       70 mph.”              While buying a second-hand Fisker in the UK is a high-risk move, more       established manufacturers generally have contingency plans if a critical       software partner goes under. In practice, that usually means issuing       recalls or pushing over-the-air fixes to affected vehicles. Warranty       coverage should handle most issues for newer cars, but the story gets       murkier on the used market.              Out of warranty       Take a decade-old Tesla Model S, for example: You might snag one at a       bargain price, but there’s no guarantee Tesla will continue supporting it       indefinitely. When a manufacturer drops software support, the car isn’t       just at risk of breaking down—it becomes a potential cybersecurity       liability. In a world where vehicles are increasingly defined by their       code, running unsupported software is akin to leaving your router exposed       to the Internet. You may have a functioning car today, but there’s no       telling when—or how—it could stop running.              “Many teams, such as McLaren, who have F1 cars from the 1990s, require a       1990s-era laptop running an old Windows operating system, along with       specialized interface hardware, for maintenance and to start the car,”       Masson said. “We are up against time here, but it could be that brands       like Tesla release its code, allowing people to use it. Who knows?”              The problem isn’t solely on the consumer; manufacturers shoulder a       significant portion of the risk as well. One potential mitigation is       standardization. Enter Catena-X, a collaborative data network connecting       OEMs, suppliers, and IT vendors. By creating traceable digital records for       parts and software—and standardizing data models and APIs for       interoperability—Catena-X aims to make supply chains more resilient and       software dependencies less catastrophic when a critical partner       disappears.              When asked how OEMs can map software dependencies and mitigate vendor       insolvency, Catena-X Managing Director Hanno Focken told Ars that “Catena-       X supports software bills of materials and standardizes certain components       to make software replaceable, plus a marketplace and open-source reference       implementation helps OEMs find alternative vendors.”              The industry also shares responsibility in defining minimum operational       lifespans for vehicle software. “As an association, Catena-X can       facilitate shared industry commitments and consensus (e.g., data retention       policies like a 10-year battery passport requirement), but it does not act              [continued in next message]              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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