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|    Trump, win or lose. (1/2)    |
|    05 Nov 20 09:55:14    |
      XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.atheism, alt.religion.christia       .roman-catholic       XPost: alt.politics., alt.politics.republicans, alt.politics.trump       XPost: alt.politics.democrats, talk.politics.misc       From: void@void.void              Peter Baker and Maggie Haberman 5 hrs ago       Win or Lose, Trump Will Remain a Powerful and Disruptive Force              WASHINGTON — If President Trump loses his bid for re-election, as looked       increasingly likely on Wednesday, it would be the first defeat of an       incumbent president in 28 years. But one thing seemed certain: Win or       lose, he will not go quietly away.              Trailing former Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr., Mr. Trump spent the       day trying to discredit the election based on invented fraud claims,       hoping either to hang onto power or explain away a loss. He could find a       narrow path to re-election among states still counting, but he has made       clear that he would not shrink from the scene should he lose.              At the very least, he has 76 days left in office to use his power as he       sees fit and to seek revenge on some of his perceived adversaries. Angry       at a defeat, he may fire or sideline a variety of senior officials who       failed to carry out his wishes as he saw it, including Christopher A.       Wray, the F.B.I. director, and Dr. Anthony S. Fauci, the government’s       top infectious diseases specialist in the middle of a pandemic.              And if he is forced to vacate the White House on Jan. 20, Mr. Trump is       likely to prove more resilient than expected and almost surely will       remain a powerful and disruptive force in American life. He received at       least 68 million votes, or five million more than he did in 2016, and       commanded about 48 percent of the popular vote, meaning he retained the       support of nearly half of the public despite four years of scandal,       setbacks, impeachment and the brutal coronavirus outbreak that has       killed more than 233,000 Americans.              That gives him a power base to play a role that other defeated one-term       presidents like Jimmy Carter and George Bush have not played. Mr. Trump       has long toyed with starting his own television network to compete with       Fox News, and in private lately he has broached the idea of running       again in 2024, although he would be 78 by then. Even if his own days as       a candidate are over, his 88-million-strong Twitter following gives him       a bullhorn to be an influential voice on the right, potentially making       him a kingmaker among rising Republicans.              “If anything is clear from the election results, it is that the       president has a huge following, and he doesn’t intend to exit the stage       anytime soon,” said former Senator Jeff Flake of Arizona, one of the few       Republican officeholders to break with Mr. Trump over the past four       years.              That following may yet enable Mr. Trump to eke out a second term and       four years to try to rebuild the economy and reshape the Republican       Party in his image. But even from out of office, he could try to       pressure Republican senators who preserved their majority to resist Mr.       Biden at every turn, forcing them to choose between conciliation or       crossing his political base.              Until a new generation of Republicans steps forward, Mr. Trump could       position himself as the de facto leader of the party, wielding an       extraordinary database of information about his supporters that future       candidates would love to rent or otherwise access. Allies imagined other       Republicans making a pilgrimage to his Mar-a-Lago estate in Florida       seeking his blessing.              “It isn’t like his Twitter account or his ability to control a news       cycle will stop,” said Brad Parscale, the president’s first campaign       manager in this election cycle. “President Trump also has the largest       amount of data ever collected by a politician. This will impact races       and policies for years to come.”              Exit polls showed that regardless of prominent Republican defectors like       Senator Mitt Romney of Utah and the Never Trumpers of the Lincoln       Project, Mr. Trump enjoyed strong support within his own party, winning       93 percent of Republican voters. He also did somewhat better with Black       voters (12 percent) and Hispanic voters (32 percent) than he did four       years ago despite his often racist rhetoric. And after his high-energy       blitz across battleground states, late-deciding voters broke his way.              Some of Mr. Trump’s arguments carried considerable weight with members       of his party. Despite the coronavirus pandemic and the related economic       toll, 41 percent of voters said they were doing better than when he took       office, compared with only 20 percent who described themselves as worse       off. Adopting his priorities, 35 percent of voters named the economy as       the most important issue, twice as many who cited the pandemic. Fully 49       percent said the economy was good or excellent, and 48 percent approved       of his government’s handling of the virus.              “If he is defeated, the president will retain the undying loyalty of the       party’s voters and the new voters he brought into the party,” said Sam       Nunberg, who was a strategist on Mr. Trump’s 2016 campaign. “President       Trump will remain a hero within the Republican electorate. The winner of       the 2024 Republican presidential primary will either be President Trump       or the candidate who most closely resembles him.”              Not all Republicans share that view. While Mr. Trump will no doubt       continue to speak out and assert himself on the public stage, they said       the party would be happy to try to move beyond him if he loses and he       would be remembered as an aberration.              “There will never be another Trump,” said former Representative Carlos       Curbelo of Florida. “Copycats will fail. He will gradually fade, but the       scars from this tumultuous period in American history will never       disappear.”              Indeed, Mr. Trump failed to reproduce his fluky 2016 success when he       secured an Electoral College victory even while losing the popular vote       to Hillary Clinton. For all of the tools of incumbency, he failed to       pick up a single state that he did not win last time, and as of       Wednesday, he had lost two or three, with a couple of others still on       the edge.              Other presidents evicted after a single term or less — like Gerald R.       Ford in 1976, Mr. Carter in 1980 and Mr. Bush in 1992 — tended to fade       back into the political shadows. Mr. Ford briefly contemplated a       comeback, Mr. Carter occasionally criticized his successors and Mr. Bush       campaigned for his sons, but none of them remained major political       forces within their party for long. Politically, at least, each of them       was seen to various degrees as a spent force.              The last defeated president to try to play a power-broker role after       leaving office was Herbert Hoover, who positioned himself to run again       after his loss in 1932 to Franklin D. Roosevelt and became an outspoken       leader of the conservative wing of the Republican Party. While he              [continued in next message]              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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