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|    Bill Flett to Just Wondering    |
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|    17 Mar 21 18:27:50    |
      XPost: alt.atheism, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.politics.usa.republican       XPost: alt.politics.democrats.d, alt.politics.trump, alt.religio       .christian.roman-catholic       XPost: alt.politics, alt.politics.democrats, alt.politics.republicans       XPost: talk.politics.guns       From: notgenx32@gmail.com              On 3/17/2021 3:06 PM, Just Wondering wrote:       > On 3/17/2021 1:24 PM, Bill Flett wrote:       >       >> It isn't. The *real* rationale behind voter ID laws, as opposed to the       fake       >> (smokescreen) reason, is transparently racist.       >       > (sarcastically) Because only whites want voter ID laws, and       > blacks are the only race who can't obey them.              This is a straw man, and in fact, is indicative of your racism. No one, but       you, has said or suggested that blacks are innately incapable of following the       law. The issue is that it is logistically harder for poor people to get the       ID,       and poor people are disproportionately black. The overrepresentation of blacks       among poor people is something Republiscum elections strategists know, and they       craft policy around it.              Poor people have lower mobility than higher income people. They also tend not       to have the legal documents required in order to apply for the ID. Blacks are       disproportionately represented among poor people due in significant measure to       past discrimination by people like Hansen and Hartung. As a result, blacks on       average have a harder time getting the ID — not due to any innate defects       among       blacks, as Hansen suggests (and believes), but because of their circumstances,       a       good part of which are cause by Hansen and Hartung.              As if that isn't bad enough, Hansen and Hartung then *increase* the height of       the hurdle by purposely locating the offices that issue the ID far from black       population center, and by severely limiting their hours. All of this is by       design, knowing that it will tend to reduce the number of black voters. Blacks       tend to vote Democratic. Hansen and Hartung know this, and they want to reduce       black voting. Hence the creation of hurdles to voting that disproportionately       affect blacks, thanks to Hansen's and Hartung's historical discrimination, and       which they then enhance by fucking around with the state ID issuance offices.              Hansen and Hartung know all this. When Hansen suggests that it is the       opponents       of voter ID who are the racists, he is being disingenuous and cynical. He's       claiming they believe something about blacks' innate abilities that the       opponents do not believe. Instead, it is Hansen and Hartung who believe that       blacks are innately incapable of doing things that whites on average can do.       What Hansen and Hartung are doing is attempting to project their own racism       onto       their opponents. It fails.              > To say voter ID laws are racist is to say that some races       > are less able than others to conform their conduct to the       > law. THAT's real racism.              No, that's your straw man. No one talked about innate ability to conform to       the       law — no one but you, that is. The issue is not innate ability, Hansen. The       issue is circumstance: circumstance that you created and then made worse.              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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