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From: j_carlson@gmx.com
On 3/26/2021 3:55 PM, David Hartung wrote:
> On 3/26/21 5:49 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>> On 3/26/2021 2:38 PM, David Hartung wrote:
>>> On 3/26/21 3:10 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>> On 3/26/2021 11:48 AM, David Hartung wrote:
>>>>> On 3/26/21 1:16 PM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>>> David Hartung wrote in
>>>>>> news:JYydnbhICIjMn8P9nZ2dnUU7-fvNnZ2d@giganews.com:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 3/26/21 9:28 AM, Bill Flett wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 3/26/2021 7:05 AM, David Hartung wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 3/26/21 8:22 AM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> David Hartung wrote in
>>>>>>>>>> news:MbydnfXtT8g3NsD9nZ2dnUU7-K-dnZ2d@giganews.com:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/26/21 1:59 AM, Dutch wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2021-03-25 5:48 a.m., David Hartung wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> According to Wikipedia, there were about 520 people killed in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> mass shootings during 2020. As horrible as this is, in that same
>>>>>>>>>>>>> year in the city of Chicago alone there were over 725 homicides.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Our nation lose its collective mind over these mass shootings,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> but seems to care less about the "common garden variety"
>>>>>>>>>>>>> homicide, even though they kill
>>>>>>>>>>>>> far more people than the mass shootings. Why is this?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Most "common garden variety" homicides fall into just a few
>>>>>>>>>>>> categories,
>>>>>>>>>>>> such as drug gang turf war killings, a few collateral to these,
>>>>>>>>>>>> and targeted killings of spouses or rivals. The average law
>>>>>>>>>>>> abiding suburbanite doesn't have fear these. Once crazed gunmen
>>>>>>>>>>>> start shooting up random movie theaters and grocery stores that
>>>>>>>>>>>> instills terror in the
>>>>>>>>>>>> population. Police killing unarmed suspects has a similar
>>>>>>>>>>>> chilling effect. That's why.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> So the reaction to these mass killings is emotional.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Just like natural disasters.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Should we let
>>>>>>>>>>> emotion drive us into unconstitutional legislation?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> What "unconstitutional legislation"?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Don't act stupid, this has been discussed enough in this group that
>>>>>>>>> there is no way that you do not know to what I am referring.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You think any limits on guns are unconstitutional. They aren't, of
>>>>>>>> course. The right to own guns is not unlimited.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There seems to us no doubt, on the basis of both text
>>>>>>>> and history, that the Second Amendment conferred an
>>>>>>>> individual right to keep and bear arms. Of course the
>>>>>>>> right was *not unlimited*, just as the First
>>>>>>>> Amendment’s right of free speech was not, see, e.g.,
>>>>>>>> United States v. Williams, 553 U. S. ___ (2008). Thus, we
>>>>>>>> do not read the Second Amendment to protect the right
>>>>>>>> of citizens to carry arms for any sort of
>>>>>>>> confrontation, just as we do not read the First
>>>>>>>> Amendment to protect the right of citizens to speak
for
>>>>>>>> any purpose. [...]
>>>>>>>> Like most rights, the right secured by the Second
>>>>>>>> Amendment is *not unlimited*. From Blackstone through
>>>>>>>> the 19th-century cases, commentators and courts
>>>>>>>> routinely explained that the right was not a right to
>>>>>>>> keep and carry *any weapon whatsoever* in any manner
>>>>>>>> whatsoever and for whatever purpose. [emphasis added]
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Justice Scalia in Heller
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No federal appeals court has ever held a ban on assault weapons to be
>>>>>>>> unconstitutional.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yet such a ban is in fact unconstitutional based upon the clear
>>>>>>> language of the second amendment,
>>>>
>>>> No.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Do you think private citizens have a "right"
>>>>>> to own and carry any and all military hardware?
>>>>>
>>>>> Do you think that the Government has the authority to disarm the
citizens?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Evasion noted. Answer his question.
>>>>
>>>> Prohibiting some arms that are outside the right to keep and bear arms is
>>>> not "disarming" the citizens.
>>>
>>> And who determines what weapons are outside the scope of the Second
Amendment?
>>
>> Legislatures and, ultimately, judges.
>
> That authority is not given to any legislative body.
The legislature would write the laws, and if challenged, judges would decide if
they are constitutional. And if judges uphold them, then you'll take it.
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