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   From: NOT-SURE@idiocracy.gov   
      
   On 5/16/21 3:39 PM, Alan Browne wrote:   
   > On 2021-05-16 13:04, BeamMeUpScotty wrote:   
   >> On 5/16/21 12:45 PM, Alan Browne wrote:   
   >>> On 2021-05-16 12:13, BeamMeUpScotty wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Only in the BIG CITY downtown areas...  NOT for the real world.   
   >>>   
   >>> BS.  I live in the 'urbs and electric cars are an ever growing fraction   
   >>> of the cars here.   
   >>   
   >> FRACTION being the key word.   
   >   
   > No.  Ever growing are the key words.   
   >   
   >>   
   >> Hot summer days in a traffic jam with no air and no heat in the winter   
   >> make them unlikely for commuter vehicles.  But in around town traffic   
   >   
   > They have a/c and heat.  In the winter that draws you down up to 50% -   
   > but still 100km+ days are fine - esp. if you can charge at work.   
   >   
   >   
      
   A kilometer is a little over half mile....... so we're actually talking   
   a commuter driving less than 25 miles each way in the cold heat and rain   
   or dark.   
      
   That's a restriction, and is particularly bad for people who work at   
   different locations such as construction where you may drive a log way   
   to the job site or it might be a mile from the house.... Do you quit   
   your job when it 30 miles to the job site?   
      
      
      
   >> they may be popular for short trips.....The Marxist impulse in the   
   >> Democrats has them trying to make those golf carts every thing to   
   >> everyone as Communism tries to force "the one size fits all" on all   
   >> people.   
   >   
   > Nobody's forcing anyone as you suggest.  It's choice.   
      
   And yet Democrats offer government subsidies for them which in turn will   
   drive up costs for other gas cars as it increases competition with the   
   FAKE price created by the subsidy.   
   >   
   >>   
   >> That never works.   
   >>   
   >> Like solar and wind... that Marxist-Democrats try to make into a one   
   >> size fits all, but the truth is that in the city the grid is probably   
   >> more efficient, while out in the country the better idea is probably the   
   >> personal solar/wind and personal well/septic rather than trying to lay   
   >> electric and sewer/water lines over large areas of low population, the   
   >> same with communications.   
   >   
   > Again you're tilting this as some phoney ideology.   
      
   And that's what it is.   
      
   The Church of the Holy Solar Energy God.   
      
   >   
   > Well guess what: climate change is real and it affects everyone the   
   > same.  We need, desperately, to reduce carbon output.   
      
   And yet there is still no proof of any of that....  no proof that HUMAN   
   produced Carbon is at fault of causing any Climate change.  And no proof   
   that the Climate is changing due to CO2.   
      
   It can be pointed out that CO2 was higher PPM before and the planet   
   didn't burn to cinder.   
      
      
      
   The earth is tilting more and causing unknown problems.   
      
      
   The scientists and their modeling say it's the ice melting that's   
   causing it but, I say it's more likely that since the tilt shifts all   
   the time that it's the physical shifting of tilt that changes the sun   
   light on the ice that causes it to melt and build back on the darker   
   side which would create a greater wobble which I've  also read was   
   getting worse....   
      
   In short you have to ask, is it the chicken or the egg, the same as the   
   famous hockey stick temperatures, did the temperature rise precede the   
   CO2 or did the CO2 precede the temperature rise.   
      
   It looks like the tilt of the earth on its axis may be causing the ice   
   to melt and temperatures to "change" NOT rise.  The tilt would cause the   
   ice to move which creates more wobble and that tilt creates regional   
   temperature change as the sun is no longer a constant on the polar   
   regions making the sun more intense and shifting the suns intensity on   
   the equatorial regions as well to a lesser degree. Causing higher heat   
   in summer in some places and lower temp/colder winters in places.   
      
      
   The *chicken or the egg* , but either way it's NOT GLOBAL and it's NOT   
   warming.   
      
   Ice "moving" and cycling differently is NOT ice disappearing and   
   changing temperatures is NOT warming but if the pole is getting more sun   
   then the ice region, and maybe the magnetosphere at that angle, will NOT   
   reflect as much sun light and solar wind energy, and that would be   
   warming water in different places and melting ice faster and then the   
   cold spot where the sun angle is less direct will also be refreezing it   
   in different locations while in the dark of the polar winter.   
      
      
      
      
   >   
   >   
   >   
   >>   
   >> One size/type doesn't fit every situation. So why would one energy type   
   >> be a miracle cure for all situations?   
   >   
   > Never said it did.  But it certainly fits an awful lot of not in the big   
   > city use cases - far beyond the take up so far.   
      
   You mean, like on golf courses....?   
      
      
   >   
   > Face it:   fossil fuels are on the outs.  The impact has been big over   
   > the last 20 years as solar wind costs come down and the next 20 years   
   > will see very big changes.   
      
   NO they have been subsidized by government....  that's more expensive   
   than they were to begin with. they'd actually be cheaper without   
   subsidies, but the consumer would have to pay for it ll rather than   
   taxing people who didn't buy any solar product  and have to subsidize   
   the consumer buying the solar products.   
      
   >   
   > Face it - the BS of the past was BS in the past and it is stinkier now   
   > more than ever.   
      
      
   The BS is when they tell you it's better and it's cheaper when Solar has   
   to be subsidized and oil products taxed heavier with impact fees and   
   fake taxes on the product that the electric cars don't pay like the road   
   tax on the gasoline which is a tax that gas cars pay and electric cars   
   don't.  Are you going to add a road tax on the sale of electric cars or   
   the electric they use or the solar panels/wind they charge with, to pay   
   for the roads like that Bridge on I-40 someone posted here the other day   
   that has a crack in it.....  have the electric cars paid a tax towards   
   fixing that bridge?   
      
      
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