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   From: NOT-SURE@idiocracy.gov   
      
   On 5/16/21 3:39 PM, Alan Browne wrote:   
   > On 2021-05-16 13:04, BeamMeUpScotty wrote:   
   >> On 5/16/21 12:45 PM, Alan Browne wrote:   
   >>> On 2021-05-16 12:13, BeamMeUpScotty wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Only in the BIG CITY downtown areas...  NOT for the real world.   
   >>>   
   >>> BS.  I live in the 'urbs and electric cars are an ever growing fraction   
   >>> of the cars here.   
   >>   
   >> FRACTION being the key word.   
   >   
   > No.  Ever growing are the key words.   
   >   
   >>   
   >> Hot summer days in a traffic jam with no air and no heat in the winter   
   >> make them unlikely for commuter vehicles.  But in around town traffic   
   >   
   > They have a/c and heat.  In the winter that draws you down up to 50% -   
   > but still 100km+ days are fine - esp. if you can charge at work.   
   >   
   >   
      
   Where/how is that added thirst for electricity being quenched?   
      
   They can't build solar and wind at a rate that will feed those cars   
   growing need for electricity?  Will you burn coal, or oil, or natural gas?   
      
   Can't make more hydro-electric, and the solar and wind take up space and   
   take time and cost a lot to produce and install and need a lot of   
   maintenance and when you have a cold day all the cars will be charging   
   at the same time and be linked to the grid.....   
      
   The sun isn't always shining and the wind isn't always blowing....  same   
   for that HOT day.  Where do you get that electricity to supply the   
   sudden need for electricity while you're at work charging your car?   
      
   Do you stay home and lose money? And if you do then isn't that a cost   
   you add to the price of the SOLAR/WIND electricity and electric cars?   
      
   And if you can't earn money how do you pay that car payment on the   
   electric car? And if you have a gas powered car for snow and ice and   
   heat, that costs you extra for insurance and maintenance and where do   
   you park TWO extra gasoline powered cars to use a few months a year?   
      
   >> they may be popular for short trips.....The Marxist impulse in the   
   >> Democrats has them trying to make those golf carts every thing to   
   >> everyone as Communism tries to force "the one size fits all" on all   
   >> people.   
   >   
   > Nobody's forcing anyone as you suggest.  It's choice.   
   >   
      
   They force me to pay tax and then use the tax for subsidies.   
      
   The government forced me to pay for electric cars.   
      
      
   >>   
   >> That never works.   
   >>   
   >> Like solar and wind... that Marxist-Democrats try to make into a one   
   >> size fits all, but the truth is that in the city the grid is probably   
   >> more efficient, while out in the country the better idea is probably the   
   >> personal solar/wind and personal well/septic rather than trying to lay   
   >> electric and sewer/water lines over large areas of low population, the   
   >> same with communications.   
   >   
   > Again you're tilting this as some phoney ideology.   
      
   Or Religion....   
      
   >   
   > Well guess what: climate change is real and it affects everyone the   
   > same.  We need, desperately, to reduce carbon output.   
   >   
   >   
      
   And what makes you think HUMANS CAUSE any of that "Climate Change" or   
   that Humans tiny amounts of CO2 release of NATURALLY occurring CO2 is   
   more than what NATURE releases from all the natural sources?   
      
   >   
   >>   
   >> One size/type doesn't fit every situation. So why would one energy type   
   >> be a miracle cure for all situations?   
   >   
   > Never said it did.  But it certainly fits an awful lot of not in the big   
   > city use cases - far beyond the take up so far.   
   >   
   > Face it:   fossil fuels are on the outs.  The impact has been big over   
   > the last 20 years as solar wind costs come down and the next 20 years   
   > will see very big changes.   
      
   Possibly but forced changes aren't needed if that is the trend then oil   
   would have several generations to naturally become a smaller market.   
      
   The question is who decided that Solar and Wind are the correct   
   replacement for fossil or Nuclear and if electric cars and all the rest   
   of the electric needs can't be met today with all the diverse types of   
   power generation we have, why will it be able to capture larger shares   
   of the electrical generating markets.   
      
   We already see more instability in the California and Texas electrical   
   supply. And Joe Biden welcomed 2 million more illegals into the NATION,   
   not to mention the other ones that are actually legal and then there's   
   the NORMAL population growth and more electric cars.... it seems that   
   Democrat have us on a path to energy shortages.   
      
      
      
      
      
   >   
   > Face it - the BS of the past was BS in the past and it is stinkier now   
   > more than ever.   
   >   
   >   
      
      
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