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   From: js@phendrie.con   
      
   Rosenblatt gave an answer to Hartung's bad-faith question on March 31 of 2020,   
   as did I.  Various parts of the *same* answers have been given many times since   
   then.  Why does Hartung keep posing his dishonest, bad-faith question, when the   
   elements of the answer only keep growing?  For instance, a year ago, we didn't   
   know that much of Trump's incompetent handling of the pandemic was due to his   
   belief that it was only going to affect blue states very much, and he doesn't   
   care about them because they don't vote for him?   
      
   Another thing we didn't know on 03/31/2020 was that Trump was later going to   
   advocate "checking" if direct injections of bleach and rubbing alcohol into   
   COVID-19 patients might be effective.  So, something Trump could have done   
   differently is to learn to keep his fucking ignorant mouth shut.  But NO...   
      
   On 3/31/2020 1:40 PM, Josh Rosenbluth wrote:   
   > On 3/31/2020 12:33 PM, David Hartung wrote:   
   >> On 3/31/20 1:38 PM, Josh Rosenbluth wrote:   
   >>> On 3/31/2020 10:11 AM, David Hartung wrote:   
   >>>> On 3/31/20 11:53 AM, Rudy Canoza wrote:   
   >>>>> Almost 12,000 new cases today, and already 283 new deaths.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Imagine how much worse it would be if Trump hadn't got it "totally under   
   >>>>> control" a few weeks back.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Trump is the most incompetent, most dishonest and most venal president in   
   >>>>> American history.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> You keep making this statement, but you have yet to outline what could   
   have   
   >>>> been done differently that would have prevented this epidemic.   
      
   This is the first instance I can find of asshole Hartung posing his bad-faith,   
   defend-Trump-at-all-costs stupid question.   
      
   >>>   
   >>> He could not have prevented it, but he could have mitigated against it by:   
   >>>   
   >>> 1) Instituting a much broader travel ban than the one he did against China,   
   >>> coupled with testing Americans as they returned home   
   >>   
   >> The President was called a racist for instituting the ban that he did put in   
   >> place.   
   >   
   > There is controversy over that assertion.  But assuming it is true for the   
   sake   
   > of argument, so what?   
   >   
   >>> 2) Ramping up testing capabilities immediately after issuing the travel   
   ban.   
   >>   
   >> When was the ban put in place, and when did we have the ability to test?   
   >   
   > The ban was put in place on Jan 31, 2020.  We still don't have a sufficient   
   > testing capability.   
   >   
   >>> 3) Ramping up medical supplies and services after issuing the travel ban.   
   >>   
   >> For something which at the time, did not show any indications that it was   
   >> going to become a global pandemic?   
   >   
   > Trump instituted the travel ban because there were indications.   
   >   
   >>> 4) Issuing the 15-day guidlelines sooner than he did.   
   >>   
   >> I see.   
   >   
   > You see what?   
   >   
   >>> 5) Recommending stay-at home orders for the entire USA (something he hasn't   
   >>> done yet).   
   >>   
   >> And yet the American people are largely hunkering down at home.   
   >   
   > I hope so.  Are they doing it as much in states without stay-at-home orders?   
   > States that haven't closed non-essential businesses?  States that haven't   
   closed   
   > schools?   
   >   
   >> There is one major problem with your suggestions, and that is that you are   
   >> engaged in Monday morning quarterbacking. It is easy to look back at a   
   >> situation and say that we should have done this or that, it is something   
   very   
   >> different to look at it on the front end and be able to foretell the future.   
   >   
   > Your argument would hold water if Trump hadn't openly spent all of February   
   and   
   > half of March downplaying the virus.  It wasn't until March 13 that he   
   acceded   
   > to Fauci and declared a national emergency.  And then, by March 24 he was   
   > gearing up for an Easter opening.  Fortunately, he once again acceded to   
   Fauci   
   > on March 29 and extended the social distancing guidelines through April.   
   >   
      
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