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   From: js@phendrie.con   
      
   I'm pretty sure Hartung has said he's been in Usenet since about 1995.  That   
   means he has been trolling for well over 1/3 of his total life (he's 67 or so),   
   and for well over 1/2 of his adult life.   
      
   Hartung is a troll.  He implicitly admits it.  He has *explicitly* admitted   
   that   
   he knows no opponent here gives his opinions any weight.  He says he derives   
   "an   
   enjoyment of sharing ideas,"  but why is he interested in sharing ideas with   
   people who think his ideas are stupid and bad, and who he claims not to be   
   trying to persuade?  What he really is trying to do is antagonize and provoke.   
      
   Hartung claims to be a Christian.  He is not a Christian.  Antagonistic   
   provocation is not a Christian thing to do.  No matter what Hartung says, the   
   part of Christ's teaching about loving one's fellow man is the important part,   
   and antagonistic provocation is not loving one's fellow man.  Even if Hartung   
   were right (he isn't) about the importance of the salvation bullshit ("gettin'   
   raht wif th' Lawwrd"), there is no denying that the love-thy-neighbor part is   
   important, and Hartung *completely* disregards it.  That means he's not a   
   Christian.   
      
   Hartung is 67 (or so) years old, and has been desultorily fucking around trying   
   to get a university degree for decades.  If he had spent even 20% of his   
   trolling time more diligently pursuing a degree, he could have obtained a   
   couple   
   of them by now.   
      
   Exactly how have these 26 years of antagonistic provocation helped Hartung to   
   become a better Lutheran minister?  What has it contributed to his community?   
   Does Hartung seriously think members of his church would be pleased to know how   
   he spends his time here?  Oh, sure, a large majority of them probably agree   
   with   
   Hartung's benighted and toxic political and social beliefs, but it's one thing   
   to hold those beliefs, and quite another to support inflicting them on   
   others...and with *no* good-faith expectation of persuading the others that the   
   beliefs are good.   
      
   Hartung has no capacity for self-reflection — no ability to examine his life   
   and   
   actions critically and honestly, and ask if they have been well spent.  They   
   have not been well spent.   
      
   Hartung is not a good person.  Sanctimonious hypocrites never are.   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)