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   Message 43,598 of 44,666   
   Rudy Canoza to All   
   Hartung's latest gag: ipse dixit   
   04 Sep 21 12:37:18   
   
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   Hartung has recently (relatively speaking) started using a new gag.  He blurts   
   out pronouncements that he believes are authoritative simply because he blurted   
   them, which is the fallacy of /ipse dixit/.  Recent examples:   
      
       "There was no extortion."   09/04/2021   
      
       "There has been no war of conquest."   
      
       "There was no "Trump insurrection"."   
      
       "No one is making it more difficult to vote."   
      
       "There is also no evidence of systemic racism."   
      
       "There has been no 'court packing'."   
      
       "Voting is not being restricted."   
      
       "There was no extortion."   
      
       "There is no voter suppression."   
      
       "There is no conspiracy."   
      
       "There was no insurrection."   
      
   These are trolls.  They're also unsupported lies.  Well-supported cases for the   
   contrary assertions have been made, and Hartung doesn't even attempt to refute   
   them analytically or with facts.  He simply blurts these troll/lies.   
      
   Trump *did* attempt illegally to extort political help from Ukraine.   
      
   Republiscum legislatures *are* trying to make it more difficult for people to   
   vote.   
      
   The Republiscums *have* attempted to pack courts with unqualified right-wingnut   
   ideologues, both by gaming the rules for existing seats on the bench and by the   
   literal definition of court packing at the state level.   
      
   Trump *did* attempt to extort Ukrainian president Zelenskiy.  Trump wanted   
   something that was only in his interest, not that of the U.S., and he let   
   Zelenskiy know that Ukraine wasn't going to get *allocated* funds unless   
   Zelenskiy helped Trump smear Joe Biden.   
      
   The Republiscum states' new laws making it harder to vote *are* voter   
   suppression.  They unquestionably make it harder to vote, but impact falls   
   disproportionately on people who don't vote Republiscum, and that's by design.   
   That is textbook voter suppression.   
      
   There *was* a conspiracy leading up to January 06, and the conspiracy was to   
   execute an *insurrection*.  There is no other word to describe a violent armed   
   mob trying to prevent Congress from carrying out its constitutionally mandated   
   certification of the electoral votes.  That mob was *not* merely "trying to   
   make   
   their voices heard."  They were trying to prevent the certification.  It was   
   without question an insurrection.   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)   

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