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   dolf to dolf   
   Re: DOLF eats hagelslag (6/15)   
   02 Jul 25 17:01:28   
   
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   > the question arise of whether the causality of the cause must itself   
   > also have a beginning, or whether the cause can originate an effect   
   > without its causality itself having a beginning. In the first case the   
   > concept of this causality is a concept of natural necessity, in the   
   > second of freedom. From this the reader will see that, since I have   
   > explained freedom as the faculty to begin an event by oneself, I have   
   > exactly hit that concept which is the problem of metaphysics.   
   >   
   > If this sort of influence of intelligible beings on appearances can be   
   > thought without contradiction, then natural necessity will indeed attach   
   > to every connection of cause and effect in the sensible world, and yet   
   > that cause which is itself not an appearance (though it underlies   
   > appearance) will still be entitled to freedom, and therefore nature and   
   > freedom will be attributable without contradiction to the very same   
   > thing, but in different respects, in the one case as appearance, in the   
   > other as a thing in itself. We have in us a faculty that not only stands   
   > in connection with its subjectively determining grounds, which are the   
   > natural causes of its [IDEA #345] actions – and thus far is the faculty   
   > of a being which itself belongs to appearances – but that also is   
   > related to objective grounds that are mere ideas, insofar as these ideas   
   > can determine this faculty, a connection that is expressed by ought.   
   >   
   > This faculty is called reason, and insofar as we are considering a being   
   > (the human being) solely as regards this objectively determinable   
   > reason, this being cannot be considered as a being of the senses;   
   > rather, the aforesaid property is the property of a thing in itself, and   
   > the possibility of that property – namely, how the ought, which has   
   > never yet happened, can determine the activity of this being and can be   
   > the cause of actions whose effect is an appearance in the sensible world   
   > – we cannot comprehend at all. Yet the causality of reason with respect   
   > to effects in the sensible world would nonetheless be freedom, insofar   
   > as objective grounds, which are themselves ideas, are taken to be   
   > determining with respect to that causality. For the action of that   
   > causality would in that case not depend on any subjective, hence also   
   > not on any temporal conditions, and would therefore also not depend on   
   > the natural law that serves to determine those conditions, because   
   > grounds of reason provide the rule for actions universally, from   
   > principles, without influence from the circumstances of time or place.   
   >   
   > What I adduce here counts only as an example, for intelligibility, and   
   > does not belong necessarily to our question, which must be decided from   
   > mere concepts independently of properties that we find in the actual world.   
   >   
   > I can now say without contradiction: all actions of rational beings,   
   > insofar as they are appearances (are encountered in some experience or   
   > other), are subject to natural necessity; but the very same actions,   
   > with respect only to the rational subject and its faculty of acting in   
   > accordance with bare reason, are free. What, then, is required for   
   > natural necessity? Nothing more than the determinability of every event   
   > in the sensible world according to constant laws, and therefore a   
   > relation to a cause within appearance; whereby the underlying thing in   
   > itself and its causality remain unknown. But I say: the law of nature   
   > remains, whether the rational being be a cause of effects in the   
   > sensible world through reason and hence through freedom, or whether that   
   > being does not determine such effects through rational grounds. For if   
   > the first is the case, the action takes place according to maxims whose   
   > effect within appearance will always conform to constant laws; if the   
   > second is the case, and the action does not take [IDEA #346] place   
   > according to principles of reason, then it is subject to the empirical   
   > laws of sensibility, and in both cases the effects are connected   
   > according to constant laws; but we require nothing more for natural   
   > necessity, and indeed know nothing more of it. In the first case,   
   > however, reason is the cause of these natural laws and is therefore   
   > free, in the second case the effects flow according to mere natural laws   
   > of sensibility, because reason exercises no influence on them; but,   
   > because of this, reason is not itself determined by sensibility (which   
   > is impossible), and it is therefore also free in this case. Therefore   
   > freedom does not impede the natural law of appearances, any more than   
   > this law interferes with the freedom of the practical use of reason, a   
   > use that stands in connection with things in themselves as determining   
   > grounds." [pages 93-97]   
   >   
   > DOLF: "How is the notion of a civil society related to the inherent   
   > human disposition of animus / anima and does such dynamic suggest there   
   > is an ontic #22 - jié (結): *FORMATIONAL* (circumscribed as bounding)   
   > #135 - níng (凝): *CONGEALING* / [#56, #79] concept of facilitated   
   > arbitration as #174 - CYBERNETIC SYSTEMIC / ANTHROPOMORPHIC PRINCIPLE   
   > which when disordered possesses an attenuated #152 / #174 - yí (疑):   
   > *DEFICIENCY* / [#29, #61, #62, #22] that may in a chronic ontological   
   > state be regarded as either delinquency or reprobation?"   
   >   
   > CAN REFUSAL OF COMMUNION BY IRISH CATHOLIC ARCHBISHOP PELL ON BOER WAR   
   > MEMORIAL DAY / PENTECOST SUNDAY 31 MAY 1998 BE BROUGHT BEFORE THE   
   > INTERNATIONAL CRIMINAL COURT?   
   >   
   > Instances of the most serious international crimes, such as war crimes,   
   > crimes of aggression, genocide and crime against humanity (eg: RECLAIM   
   > THE #1827 - EUCHARIST / PENTECOST FROM    
    - SWASTIKA OBSTRUCTION), can   
   > be brought before the International Criminal Court, a permanent   
   > international tribunal. It was established by the ROME STATUTE in 2002.   
   >   
   >    
   >   
   >    
   >   
   > [IMAGE SOURCE: Victorian Honour Roll of Women (2011) Inspirational women   
   > from all walks of life]   
   >   
   > SYNAPSE QUOTIENT FOR CONSIDERATION IN MAKING AN ACCUSATION OF CONTEMN   
   > (WHITE COLONIAL IMPERIALIST / HISTORICAL ANTI-STATISM REVISIONIST AS NON   
   > DIFFERENTIATED CHRISTO-FASCISM EXCEPTING BY HAUGHTY SELF-ENTITLEMENT)   
   > AGAINST DOCTOR DIANE SISELY VEOC (1994-2004): Given that the CENTRAL   
   > PREMISE to this SAPIENT UTILITARIAN / TEMPORAL DYNAMIC is the   
   > mathematical meta-descriptive dialectic as idea template (AS OUR   
   > INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY TO WHICH DOCTOR SISELY HAS NEVER CONFORMED) to the   
   > AMERICAN DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE 4 JULY 1776 and BILL OF RIGHTS 15   
   > DECEMBER 1791 which frames #87 - UNALIENABLE RIGHTS that are also   
   > implicit within QUEEN VICTORIA'S LETTERS PATENT dated 29 OCTOBER 1900   
   > being principles upon which the respective REPUBLIC / COMMONWEALTH were   
   > established.   
   >   
   > [#74]   
   > [#14, #17]   
   > [#3, #11, #18, #32, #34, #49, #54, #60, #66, #67, #73, #76, #78]   
   > [#23, #26, #27, #31, #34, #38, #44, #67]   
   > [#5, #6, #17, #39, #57, #77]   
   > [#37, #47, #78]   
   > [#12, #67]   
   > [#68]   
   > [#13, #15, #27, #32, #49, #65, #71, #78]   
   >   
   > COGITO: #493 / IDEA: #1876 = [#74 - CLOSURE (䦯, #74 = [#74]), #14 -   
   > PENETRATION (銳, #31 = [#14, #17]), #78 - ON THE VERGE (將, #621 = [#3,   
   > #11, #18, #32, #34, #49, #54, #60, #66, #67, #73, #76, #78]), #27 -   
   > DUTIES (事, #290 = [#23, #26, #27, #31, #34, #38, #44, #67]), #57 -   
      
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