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      [continued from previous message]              >> causes of appearances, then that freedom must, in relation to the       >> appearances as events, be a faculty of starting those events from       >> itself (sponte - spontaneous), i.e., without the causality of the       >> cause itself having to begin, and hence without need for any other       >> ground to determine its beginning. But then the cause, as to its       >> causality, would not have to be subject to temporal determinations of       >> its state, i.e., would not have to be appearance at all, i.e., would       >> have to be taken for a thing in itself, and only the effects would       >> have to be taken for appearances.       >>       >> NOTE: The idea of freedom has its place solely in the relation of the       >> *INTELLECTUAL* (des Intellektuellen), as cause, to the appearance, as       >> effect. Therefore we cannot bestow freedom upon matter, in       >> consideration of the unceasing activity by which it fills its space,       >> even though this activity occurs through an inner principle. We can       >> just as little find any concept of freedom to fit a purely       >> intelligible being, e.g., God, insofar as his action is immanent. For       >> his action, although independent of causes determining it from       >> outside, nevertheless is determined in his eternal reason, hence in       >> the divine nature. Only if something should begin through an action,       >> hence the effect be found in the time series, and so in the sensible       >> world (e.g., the beginning of the world), does the question arise of       >> whether the causality of the cause must itself also have a beginning,       >> or whether the cause can originate an effect without its causality       >> itself having a beginning. In the first case the concept of this       >> causality is a concept of natural necessity, in the second of freedom.       >> From this the reader will see that, since I have explained freedom as       >> the faculty to begin an event by oneself, I have exactly hit that       >> concept which is the problem of metaphysics.       >>       >> If this sort of influence of intelligible beings on appearances can be       >> thought without contradiction, then natural necessity will indeed       >> attach to every connection of cause and effect in the sensible world,       >> and yet that cause which is itself not an appearance (though it       >> underlies appearance) will still be entitled to freedom, and therefore       >> nature and freedom will be attributable without contradiction to the       >> very same thing, but in different respects, in the one case as       >> appearance, in the other as a thing in itself. We have in us a faculty       >> that not only stands in connection with its subjectively determining       >> grounds, which are the natural causes of its [IDEA #345] actions – and       >> thus far is the faculty of a being which itself belongs to appearances       >> – but that also is related to objective grounds that are mere ideas,       >> insofar as these ideas can determine this faculty, a connection that       >> is expressed by ought.       >>       >> This faculty is called reason, and insofar as we are considering a       >> being (the human being) solely as regards this objectively       >> determinable reason, this being cannot be considered as a being of the       >> senses; rather, the aforesaid property is the property of a thing in       >> itself, and the possibility of that property – namely, how the ought,       >> which has never yet happened, can determine the activity of this being       >> and can be the cause of actions whose effect is an appearance in the       >> sensible world – we cannot comprehend at all. Yet the causality of       >> reason with respect to effects in the sensible world would nonetheless       >> be freedom, insofar as objective grounds, which are themselves ideas,       >> are taken to be determining with respect to that causality. For the       >> action of that causality would in that case not depend on any       >> subjective, hence also not on any temporal conditions, and would       >> therefore also not depend on the natural law that serves to determine       >> those conditions, because grounds of reason provide the rule for       >> actions universally, from principles, without influence from the       >> circumstances of time or place.       >>       >> What I adduce here counts only as an example, for intelligibility, and       >> does not belong necessarily to our question, which must be decided       >> from mere concepts independently of properties that we find in the       >> actual world.       >>       >> I can now say without contradiction: all actions of rational beings,       >> insofar as they are appearances (are encountered in some experience or       >> other), are subject to natural necessity; but the very same actions,       >> with respect only to the rational subject and its faculty of acting in       >> accordance with bare reason, are free. What, then, is required for       >> natural necessity? Nothing more than the determinability of every       >> event in the sensible world according to constant laws, and therefore       >> a relation to a cause within appearance; whereby the underlying thing       >> in itself and its causality remain unknown. But I say: the law of       >> nature remains, whether the rational being be a cause of effects in       >> the sensible world through reason and hence through freedom, or       >> whether that being does not determine such effects through rational       >> grounds. For if the first is the case, the action takes place       >> according to maxims whose effect within appearance will always conform       >> to constant laws; if the second is the case, and the action does not       >> take [IDEA #346] place according to principles of reason, then it is       >> subject to the empirical laws of sensibility, and in both cases the       >> effects are connected according to constant laws; but we require       >> nothing more for natural necessity, and indeed know nothing more of       >> it. In the first case, however, reason is the cause of these natural       >> laws and is therefore free, in the second case the effects flow       >> according to mere natural laws of sensibility, because reason       >> exercises no influence on them; but, because of this, reason is not       >> itself determined by sensibility (which is impossible), and it is       >> therefore also free in this case. Therefore freedom does not impede       >> the natural law of appearances, any more than this law interferes with       >> the freedom of the practical use of reason, a use that stands in       >> connection with things in themselves as determining grounds." [pages       >> 93-97]       >>       >> DOLF: "How is the notion of a civil society related to the inherent       >> human disposition of animus / anima and does such dynamic suggest       >> there is an ontic #22 - jié (結): *FORMATIONAL* (circumscribed as       >> bounding) #135 - níng (凝): *CONGEALING* / [#56, #79] concept of       >> facilitated arbitration as #174 - CYBERNETIC SYSTEMIC /       >> ANTHROPOMORPHIC PRINCIPLE which when disordered possesses an       >> attenuated #152 / #174 - yí (疑): *DEFICIENCY* / [#29, #61, #62, #22]       >> that may in a chronic ontological state be regarded as either       >> delinquency or reprobation?"       >>       >> CAN REFUSAL OF COMMUNION BY IRISH CATHOLIC ARCHBISHOP PELL ON BOER WAR       >> MEMORIAL DAY / PENTECOST SUNDAY 31 MAY 1998 BE BROUGHT BEFORE THE       >> INTERNATIONAL CRIMINAL COURT?       >>       >> Instances of the most serious international crimes, such as war       >> crimes, crimes of aggression, genocide and crime against humanity (eg:       >> RECLAIM THE #1827 - EUCHARIST / PENTECOST FROM         - SWASTIKA       >> OBSTRUCTION), can be brought before the International Criminal Court,       >> a permanent international tribunal. It was established by the ROME       >> STATUTE in 2002.       >>       >>        >>              [continued in next message]              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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