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|    Re: DOLF eats hagelslag (13/24)    |
|    04 Jul 25 14:46:41    |
      [continued from previous message]              >>>>> (軔): *TO* *BRAKE* + #136 - zhāo (昭): *DISPLAY CLEARLY* / *SUN'S*       >>>>> *BRIGHTNESS*: "In the first (mathematical) class of antinomy, the       >>>>> falsity of the presupposition consisted in the following: that       >>>>> something self- contradictory (namely, appearance as a thing in       >>>>> itself) (eg: #136 - yán (顔): FACIAL APPEARANCE / [#60, #76] | #207       >>>>> - qù (去): TO ABANDON; TO GIVE UP / [#31, #45, #65, #66]) would be       >>>>> represented as being unifiable in a concept. But regarding the       >>>>> second, namely the dynamical, class of antinomy, the falsity of the       >>>>> presupposition consists in this: that something that is unifiable       >>>>> is represented as contradictory; consequently, while in the first       >>>>> case both of the mutually opposing assertions were false, here on       >>>>> the contrary the assertions, which are set in opposition to one       >>>>> another through mere misunderstanding, can both be true.       >>>>>       >>>>> Specifically, mathematical combination necessarily presupposes the       >>>>> homogeneity of the things combined (in the concept of magnitude),       >>>>> but dynamical connection does not require this at all. If it is a       >>>>> question of the magnitude of something extended, all parts must be       >>>>> homogeneous among themselves and with the whole; in contrast, in       >>>>> the connection of cause and effect homogeneity can indeed be found,       >>>>> but is not necessary; for the concept of causality (whereby through       >>>>> one thing, something completely different from it is posited) at       >>>>> least does not require it.       >>>>>       >>>>> If the objects of the sensible world were taken for things in       >>>>> themselves, and the previously stated natural laws for laws of       >>>>> things in themselves, contradiction would be inevitable. In the       >>>>> same way, if the subject of freedom were represented, like the       >>>>> other objects, as a mere appearance, contradiction could again not       >>>>> be avoided, for the same thing would be simultaneously affirmed and       >>>>> denied of the same object in the same sense. But if natural       >>>>> necessity is referred only to appearances and freedom only to       >>>>> things in themselves, then no contradiction arises if both kinds of       >>>>> causality are assumed or conceded equally, however difficult or       >>>>> impossible it may be to make causality of the latter kind conceivable.       >>>>>       >>>>> Within appearance, every effect is an event, or something that       >>>>> happens in time; the effect must, in accordance with the universal       >>>>> law of nature, be preceded by a determination of the causality of       >>>>> its cause (a state of the cause), from which the effect follows in       >>>>> accordance with a constant law. But this determination of the cause       >>>>> to causality must also be something that occurs or takes place; the       >>>>> cause must have begun to act, for otherwise no sequence in time       >>>>> could be thought between it and the effect. [IDEA #344] Both the       >>>>> effect and the causality of the cause would have always existed.       >>>>> Therefore the determination of the cause to act must also have       >>>>> arisen among the appearances, and so it must, like its effect, be       >>>>> an event, which again must have its cause, and so on, and hence       >>>>> natural necessity must be the condition in accordance with which       >>>>> efficient causes are determined. Should, by contrast, freedom be a       >>>>> property of certain causes of appearances, then that freedom must,       >>>>> in relation to the appearances as events, be a faculty of starting       >>>>> those events from itself (sponte - spontaneous), i.e., without the       >>>>> causality of the cause itself having to begin, and hence without       >>>>> need for any other ground to determine its beginning. But then the       >>>>> cause, as to its causality, would not have to be subject to       >>>>> temporal determinations of its state, i.e., would not have to be       >>>>> appearance at all, i.e., would have to be taken for a thing in       >>>>> itself, and only the effects would have to be taken for appearances.       >>>>>       >>>>> NOTE: The idea of freedom has its place solely in the relation of       >>>>> the *INTELLECTUAL* (des Intellektuellen), as cause, to the       >>>>> appearance, as effect. Therefore we cannot bestow freedom upon       >>>>> matter, in consideration of the unceasing activity by which it       >>>>> fills its space, even though this activity occurs through an inner       >>>>> principle. We can just as little find any concept of freedom to fit       >>>>> a purely intelligible being, e.g., God, insofar as his action is       >>>>> immanent. For his action, although independent of causes       >>>>> determining it from outside, nevertheless is determined in his       >>>>> eternal reason, hence in the divine nature. Only if something       >>>>> should begin through an action, hence the effect be found in the       >>>>> time series, and so in the sensible world (e.g., the beginning of       >>>>> the world), does the question arise of whether the causality of the       >>>>> cause must itself also have a beginning, or whether the cause can       >>>>> originate an effect without its causality itself having a       >>>>> beginning. In the first case the concept of this causality is a       >>>>> concept of natural necessity, in the second of freedom. From this       >>>>> the reader will see that, since I have explained freedom as the       >>>>> faculty to begin an event by oneself, I have exactly hit that       >>>>> concept which is the problem of metaphysics.       >>>>>       >>>>> If this sort of influence of intelligible beings on appearances can       >>>>> be thought without contradiction, then natural necessity will       >>>>> indeed attach to every connection of cause and effect in the       >>>>> sensible world, and yet that cause which is itself not an       >>>>> appearance (though it underlies appearance) will still be entitled       >>>>> to freedom, and therefore nature and freedom will be attributable       >>>>> without contradiction to the very same thing, but in different       >>>>> respects, in the one case as appearance, in the other as a thing in       >>>>> itself. We have in us a faculty that not only stands in connection       >>>>> with its subjectively determining grounds, which are the natural       >>>>> causes of its [IDEA #345] actions – and thus far is the faculty of       >>>>> a being which itself belongs to appearances – but that also is       >>>>> related to objective grounds that are mere ideas, insofar as these       >>>>> ideas can determine this faculty, a connection that is expressed by       >>>>> ought.       >>>>>       >>>>> This faculty is called reason, and insofar as we are considering a       >>>>> being (the human being) solely as regards this objectively       >>>>> determinable reason, this being cannot be considered as a being of       >>>>> the senses; rather, the aforesaid property is the property of a       >>>>> thing in itself, and the possibility of that property – namely, how       >>>>> the ought, which has never yet happened, can determine the activity       >>>>> of this being and can be the cause of actions whose effect is an       >>>>> appearance in the sensible world – we cannot comprehend at all. Yet       >>>>> the causality of reason with respect to effects in the sensible       >>>>> world would nonetheless be freedom, insofar as objective grounds,       >>>>> which are themselves ideas, are taken to be determining with       >>>>> respect to that causality. For the action of that causality would       >>>>> in that case not depend on any subjective, hence also not on any       >>>>> temporal conditions, and would therefore also not depend on the              [continued in next message]              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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