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|    Re: DOLF eats hagelslag (12/22)    |
|    04 Jul 25 08:51:48    |
      [continued from previous message]              >>>>> beginning. In the first case the concept of this causality is a       >>>>> concept of natural necessity, in the second of freedom. From this       >>>>> the reader will see that, since I have explained freedom as the       >>>>> faculty to begin an event by oneself, I have exactly hit that       >>>>> concept which is the problem of metaphysics.       >>>>>       >>>>> If this sort of influence of intelligible beings on appearances can       >>>>> be thought without contradiction, then natural necessity will       >>>>> indeed attach to every connection of cause and effect in the       >>>>> sensible world, and yet that cause which is itself not an       >>>>> appearance (though it underlies appearance) will still be entitled       >>>>> to freedom, and therefore nature and freedom will be attributable       >>>>> without contradiction to the very same thing, but in different       >>>>> respects, in the one case as appearance, in the other as a thing in       >>>>> itself. We have in us a faculty that not only stands in connection       >>>>> with its subjectively determining grounds, which are the natural       >>>>> causes of its [IDEA #345] actions – and thus far is the faculty of       >>>>> a being which itself belongs to appearances – but that also is       >>>>> related to objective grounds that are mere ideas, insofar as these       >>>>> ideas can determine this faculty, a connection that is expressed by       >>>>> ought.       >>>>>       >>>>> This faculty is called reason, and insofar as we are considering a       >>>>> being (the human being) solely as regards this objectively       >>>>> determinable reason, this being cannot be considered as a being of       >>>>> the senses; rather, the aforesaid property is the property of a       >>>>> thing in itself, and the possibility of that property – namely, how       >>>>> the ought, which has never yet happened, can determine the activity       >>>>> of this being and can be the cause of actions whose effect is an       >>>>> appearance in the sensible world – we cannot comprehend at all. Yet       >>>>> the causality of reason with respect to effects in the sensible       >>>>> world would nonetheless be freedom, insofar as objective grounds,       >>>>> which are themselves ideas, are taken to be determining with       >>>>> respect to that causality. For the action of that causality would       >>>>> in that case not depend on any subjective, hence also not on any       >>>>> temporal conditions, and would therefore also not depend on the       >>>>> natural law that serves to determine those conditions, because       >>>>> grounds of reason provide the rule for actions universally, from       >>>>> principles, without influence from the circumstances of time or place.       >>>>>       >>>>> What I adduce here counts only as an example, for intelligibility,       >>>>> and does not belong necessarily to our question, which must be       >>>>> decided from mere concepts independently of properties that we find       >>>>> in the actual world.       >>>>>       >>>>> I can now say without contradiction: all actions of rational       >>>>> beings, insofar as they are appearances (are encountered in some       >>>>> experience or other), are subject to natural necessity; but the       >>>>> very same actions, with respect only to the rational subject and       >>>>> its faculty of acting in accordance with bare reason, are free.       >>>>> What, then, is required for natural necessity? Nothing more than       >>>>> the determinability of every event in the sensible world according       >>>>> to constant laws, and therefore a relation to a cause within       >>>>> appearance; whereby the underlying thing in itself and its       >>>>> causality remain unknown. But I say: the law of nature remains,       >>>>> whether the rational being be a cause of effects in the sensible       >>>>> world through reason and hence through freedom, or whether that       >>>>> being does not determine such effects through rational grounds. For       >>>>> if the first is the case, the action takes place according to       >>>>> maxims whose effect within appearance will always conform to       >>>>> constant laws; if the second is the case, and the action does not       >>>>> take [IDEA #346] place according to principles of reason, then it       >>>>> is subject to the empirical laws of sensibility, and in both cases       >>>>> the effects are connected according to constant laws; but we       >>>>> require nothing more for natural necessity, and indeed know nothing       >>>>> more of it. In the first case, however, reason is the cause of       >>>>> these natural laws and is therefore free, in the second case the       >>>>> effects flow according to mere natural laws of sensibility, because       >>>>> reason exercises no influence on them; but, because of this, reason       >>>>> is not itself determined by sensibility (which is impossible), and       >>>>> it is therefore also free in this case. Therefore freedom does not       >>>>> impede the natural law of appearances, any more than this law       >>>>> interferes with the freedom of the practical use of reason, a use       >>>>> that stands in connection with things in themselves as determining       >>>>> grounds." [pages 93-97]       >>>>>       >>>>> DOLF: "How is the notion of a civil society related to the inherent       >>>>> human disposition of animus / anima and does such dynamic suggest       >>>>> there is an ontic #22 - jié (結): *FORMATIONAL* (circumscribed as       >>>>> bounding) #135 - níng (凝): *CONGEALING* / [#56, #79] concept of       >>>>> facilitated arbitration as #174 - CYBERNETIC SYSTEMIC /       >>>>> ANTHROPOMORPHIC PRINCIPLE which when disordered possesses an       >>>>> attenuated #152 / #174 - yí (疑): *DEFICIENCY* / [#29, #61, #62,       >>>>> #22] that may in a chronic ontological state be regarded as either       >>>>> delinquency or reprobation?"       >>>>>       >>       >>       >> CAN REFUSAL OF COMMUNION BY IRISH CATHOLIC ARCHBISHOP PELL ON BOER WAR       >> MEMORIAL DAY / PENTECOST SUNDAY 31 MAY 1998 BE BROUGHT BEFORE THE       >> INTERNATIONAL CRIMINAL COURT?       >>       >> Instances of the most serious international crimes, such as war       >> crimes, crimes of aggression, genocide and crime against humanity (eg:       >> RECLAIM THE #1827 - EUCHARIST / PENTECOST FROM         - SWASTIKA       >> OBSTRUCTION / BABYLONIAN [#314 - mágos (G3097): *WISE* *MEN* / #335 -       >> Kasday (H3779): CHALDEAN / #87 - BABYLONIAN KING (circa 721 BC) as [#2       >> - FULL CIRCLE (周), #30 - BOLD RESOLUTION (毅), #1 - CENTRE (中), #4 -       >> BARRIER (閑), #50 - VASTNESS / WASTING (唐)] being ANTI-STATISM       >> ARTIFICE as UNCONSTITUTIONAL: SECTION II: UNALIENABLE RIGHTS       >> TRANSFERENCE PROTOCOL ] PERSECUTION OF JEWISH - CHRISTIANS AS       >> SUBSTANTIATED CLAIM TO BELIEF #100 + 40 AM as 3860 BCE + 20 x (293 x       >> 365.2423 TROPICAL YEARS | 294 x 364 | 6J) + 1 (NO 0 CE) = 2001 CE       >> (NEW MOON 20 MARCH 1996 + 5 x 364 + 182 = 12 SEPTEMBER 2001 + 182 =       >> NEW MOON 13 / 14 MARCH 2002), can be brought before the International       >> Criminal Court, a permanent international tribunal. It was established       >> by the ROME STATUTE adopted 17 JULY 1998.       >>       >> On 11 APRIL 2002, ten countries ratified the statute at the same time       >> at a special ceremony held at the United Nations headquarters in New       >> York City,[21] bringing the total number of signatories to sixty,       >> which was the minimum number required to bring the statute into force,       >> as defined in Article 126. The treaty entered into force on 1 July       >> 2002; the ICC can only prosecute crimes committed (vis a vis in       >> support of the EUCHARIST / PENTECOST FROM         - SWASTIKA OBSTRUCTION as       >> ANTI-STATISM impetus HIJACKING ANZAC CENTENNIAL 2018 BY MARTIN TANZER,       >> ROSS JACKSON - RETURNED SERVICES LEAGUE / DARREN CHESTER / WELLINGTON              [continued in next message]              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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