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   dolf to dolf   
   Re: DOLF eats hagelslag (6/24)   
   05 Jul 25 06:19:07   
   
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   >      •    Severance from the community of the righteous   
   >      •    A moral or spiritual disqualification, often due to   
   persistent   
   > rebellion, corruption, or tampering with sacred truth (as in Revelation   
   > 22:19)   
   >   
   > INTERPRETIVE NUANCES: There’s debate among theologians about whether   
   > names can truly be removed:   
   >   
   >      •    Some argue the Book is immutable—those written in it are   
   > eternally secure.   
   >      •    Others see the warnings as real: apostasy or grave sin   
   could   
   > lead to expulsion.   
   >      •    Some interpret the phrase as litotes—a rhetorical device   
   > meaning “your name will certainly remain” by stating the opposite won’t   
   > happen.   
   >   
   > SYMBOLIC IMPLICATION: To be “expunged from the Book of Life” is to be   
   > cut off from the divine narrative—no longer part of the cosmic memory of   
   > redemption. It’s not just about punishment, but about disconnection from   
   > meaning, belonging, and eternal continuity.   
   >   
   > If you’re exploring this phrase in a philosophical, literary, or   
   > metaphysical context, it opens up fascinating questions about identity,   
   > memory, and moral consequence. Would you like to explore how this   
   > concept maps onto other traditions or symbolic systems?"   
   >   
   > DOLF: "Can it also mean "going to the grave" or hell as a place of no   
   > return?"   
   >   
   > COPILOT @ 1849 HRS ON 2 JULY 2025: "Yes, in many theological and   
   > symbolic interpretations, being “expunged from the Book of Life” is   
   > closely associated with irreversible separation from divine presence,   
   > which can be understood as:   
   >   
   > GOING TO THE GRAVE: In some Hebrew Bible contexts, especially in Psalms   
   > and prophetic literature, being “blotted out” or “cut off” can imply   
   > premature death or removal from the covenantal community. The grave   
   > (Sheol) is often portrayed as a shadowy realm of silence and   
   > forgetfulness—a place where one no longer participates in the living   
   > memory of God.   
   >   
   > HELL AS A PLACE OF NO RETURN: In Christian eschatology, particularly in   
   > Revelation 20:15, those not found in the Book of Life are “cast into the   
   > lake of fire”. This is interpreted by many as eternal separation from   
   > God—a final, unalterable state of judgment. The imagery of being   
   > “thrown” into this realm underscores its forceful and irreversible   
   nature.   
   >   
   > SYMBOLIC LAYER: Beyond literalism, the phrase can also signify:   
   >   
   >      •    Moral exile: a soul so alienated from truth or goodness   
   that   
   > it no longer resonates with the divine order.   
   >      •    Ontological erasure: not annihilation, but being   
   forgotten by   
   > the cosmos, no longer part of the unfolding story of life and meaning.   
   >   
   > So yes—whether as grave, hell, or cosmic oblivion, the phrase evokes a   
   > point of no return, where the soul is no longer inscribed in the ledger   
   > of life, memory, or redemption. If you’d like, we can explore how this   
   > concept compares with other traditions—like the Egyptian “weighing of   
   > the heart” or the Buddhist notion of karmic obscuration.   
   >   
   > DOLF: "Would you concur that it is an expression intrinsic to Christian   
   > belief: "AND FEAR NOT THEM WHICH KILL THE BODY, BUT ARE NOT ABLE TO KILL   
   > THE SOUL: BUT RATHER FEAR HIM WHICH IS ABLE TO DESTROY BOTH SOUL AND   
   > BODY IN HELL." [Matthew 10:28]   
   >   
   > COPILOT @ 1857 HRS ON 2 JULY 2025: "Absolutely—it’s deeply intrinsic to   
   > Christian theology, particularly in how it frames divine authority over   
   > both physical and eternal life.   
   >   
   > Matthew 10:28 is a striking verse where Jesus draws a sharp distinction   
   > between human power (which can end the body) and divine power (which   
   > governs the soul’s destiny). The phrase “destroy both soul and body in   
   > hell” (Greek: Gehenna) underscores a uniquely Christian eschatological   
   > view: that God alone holds ultimate judgment, not just over temporal   
   > life but over eternal consequence.   
   >   
   > This verse also reinforces a core Christian theme: fear of God not as   
   > terror, but as reverent awe of the One who transcends earthly threats.   
   > It’s a call to moral courage—don’t fear persecution or death, but live   
   > in alignment with the One who holds the keys to both life and afterlife.   
   >   
   > So yes, this expression is not only intrinsic—it’s foundational to   
   > Christian teachings on judgment, the soul’s immortality, and the   
   > sovereignty of God over all realms. If you’re exploring how this   
   > connects to the “Book of Life” or broader metaphysical systems [NOTE:   
   > THIS IS THE CONTEXT OF THE SECOND TELEPHONE CALL], we can trace that   
   > thread further."   
   >   
   > <-- WHICH IS THEN AN IRREFUTABLE GROUNDING FOR THE MAKING OF A PRIMA   
   > FACIE CLAIM OF #306 - PERFIDE ALBION (IRISH / ITALIAN CATHOLIC ANTI-   
   > STATEM RELIGIOUS PERSECUTION) / 31 AUGUST 1942 TETRA #57 - THESIS   
   > (SATOR / TENET / ROTAS) AGAINST ERII - PRIVATE JAKE KOVCO'S SELF   
   > INFLICTED GUNSHOT 21 APRIL 2006 / PRINCE PHILIP'S BIRTHDAY 10 JUNE 2017   
   > - POPPY WREATH AT BOER WAR MEMORIAL / TREASON BY WELLINGTON SHIRE   
   > COUNCILLOR SCOTT ROSSETTI / ARCHBISHOP OF MELBOURNE PETER COMENSOLI   
   > THROUGH MARRIAGE OF THE PYTHAGOREAN REGIMES OF BELIEF WITH GERMAN NAZISM   
   > [ROMAN PROTOTYPE #TWO: #102 ... #218 ... #306] / [LUO SHU TABLE TALK:   
   > #239 - cáng (藏): *HIDDEN* / zh   
   ngxīn (中心): *HEART* / gǔ (骨):   
   > *FRAME*; *FRAMEWORK* ... #459]   
   >   
   > WE NOT ONLY DEMAND THE DEATH PENALTY IS RE-INSTATED BY EDICT OF THE   
   > GOVERNOR-GENERAL AND THESE PERSONS GIVE AN IMMEDIATE ACCOUNTABILITY   
   >   
   > MR BOEK (TRANSCRIPT 5 DECEMBER 2001): "Yes, ma'am, I have - you would   
   > have noticed that there were no actual words of threat (NOTING THAT ON   
   > 28 OCTOBER 2001 THE POLICE DID NOT RESPOND TO ANY PERCEIVED THREAT WHEN   
   > SUBJECT TO THE SAME POEM). They were words that were based on fact in   
   > that particular phone call. Here I have a particular mathematical model   
   > which is mentioned in that particular phone call. It is based upon a   
   > work by Johann Kepler, a German astronomer born in 1571 to 1630. He came   
   > up with three rules of which I have come up with a fourth [associated to   
   > the ephemeral and mundane as a transcendent fecundate connection to the   
   > Vernal and the Autumn Equinox in the 6th year of the 22nd Course of   
   > Gamul: 7 x 24 x 13 x 49 = 6J as 107016 days or 294 x 364 days or   
   > 365.2423 x 293 years - Vernal Equinox Wednesday 20 March 1996 / 21 March].   
   >   
   > His three rules in terms of astronomical cycles were: (1) that the   
   > planet... And then I will get to my bit of relevance to the 6000 years.   
   >   
   > THE D.PRESIDENT: Yes, yes, yes.   
   >   
   > MR BOEK: (1) That the planets move in elliptical orbits around the sun   
   > which is situated at one of the focus of the ellipses; (2) that the   
   > radius vectors joining each planet to the sun describes equal areas in   
   > equal times; (3) that the ratio of the square of the planet's year to   
   > the cube of the planet's mean distance from the sun is the same for each   
   > planet.   
   >   
   > Now, what I am suggesting is that the 6000 year cycle (ie. temporality   
   > #400 (x 365.2423 [7 x 24 x 13 x 49 / 293 years or 6J as 294 x 364 days]   
   > = 146,097 days) % 22 = 17 SEPTEMBER / #6000 years % 22 = 13 SEPTEMBER   
   > 2001) fits a mathematical model on logic and reason called Telos equals   
   > Arch plus C-squared:   
   >   
   > Telos [122J3W1D] = Arch [3W1D] + c² [9(9²+1)/2]   
   >   
   > NOTE: WHICH IS ANALOGOUS TO THE PYTHAGOREAN EQUATION: c² = a² + b² /   
      
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