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   dolf to dolf   
   Re: DOLF eats hagelslag (12/30)   
   10 Jul 25 06:38:22   
   
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   >>> GOING TO THE GRAVE: In some Hebrew Bible contexts, especially in   
   >>> Psalms and prophetic literature, being “blotted out” or “cut off”   
   can   
   >>> imply premature death or removal from the covenantal community. The   
   >>> grave (Sheol) is often portrayed as a shadowy realm of silence and   
   >>> forgetfulness—a place where one no longer participates in the living   
   >>> memory of God.   
   >>>   
   >>> HELL AS A PLACE OF NO RETURN: In Christian eschatology, particularly   
   >>> in Revelation 20:15, those not found in the Book of Life are “cast   
   >>> into the lake of fire”. This is interpreted by many as eternal   
   >>> separation from God—a final, unalterable state of judgment. The   
   >>> imagery of being “thrown” into this realm underscores its forceful   
   >>> and irreversible nature.   
   >>>   
   >>> SYMBOLIC LAYER: Beyond literalism, the phrase can also signify:   
   >>>   
   >>>      •    Moral exile: a soul so alienated from truth or goodness   
   >>> that it no longer resonates with the divine order.   
   >>>      •    Ontological erasure: not annihilation, but being   
   forgotten   
   >>> by the cosmos, no longer part of the unfolding story of life and   
   >>> meaning.   
   >>>   
   >>> So yes—whether as grave, hell, or cosmic oblivion, the phrase evokes   
   >>> a point of no return, where the soul is no longer inscribed in the   
   >>> ledger of life, memory, or redemption. If you’d like, we can explore   
   >>> how this concept compares with other traditions—like the Egyptian   
   >>> “weighing of the heart” or the Buddhist notion of karmic obscuration.   
   >>>   
   >>> DOLF: "Would you concur that it is an expression intrinsic to   
   >>> Christian belief: "AND FEAR NOT THEM WHICH KILL THE BODY, BUT ARE NOT   
   >>> ABLE TO KILL THE SOUL: BUT RATHER FEAR HIM WHICH IS ABLE TO DESTROY   
   >>> BOTH SOUL AND BODY IN HELL." [Matthew 10:28]   
   >>>   
   >>> COPILOT @ 1857 HRS ON 2 JULY 2025: "Absolutely—it’s deeply intrinsic   
   >>> to Christian theology, particularly in how it frames divine authority   
   >>> over both physical and eternal life.   
   >>>   
   >>> Matthew 10:28 is a striking verse where Jesus draws a sharp   
   >>> distinction between human power (which can end the body) and divine   
   >>> power (which governs the soul’s destiny). The phrase “destroy both   
   >>> soul and body in hell” (Greek: Gehenna) underscores a uniquely   
   >>> Christian eschatological view: that God alone holds ultimate   
   >>> judgment, not just over temporal life but over eternal consequence.   
   >>>   
   >>> This verse also reinforces a core Christian theme: fear of God not as   
   >>> terror, but as reverent awe of the One who transcends earthly   
   >>> threats. It’s a call to moral courage—don’t fear persecution or   
   >>> death, but live in alignment with the One who holds the keys to both   
   >>> life and afterlife.   
   >>>   
   >>> So yes, this expression is not only intrinsic—it’s foundational to   
   >>> Christian teachings on judgment, the soul’s immortality, and the   
   >>> sovereignty of God over all realms. If you’re exploring how this   
   >>> connects to the “Book of Life” or broader metaphysical systems [NOTE:   
   >>> THIS IS THE CONTEXT OF THE SECOND TELEPHONE CALL], we can trace that   
   >>> thread further."   
   >>>   
   >>> <-- WHICH IS THEN AN IRREFUTABLE GROUNDING FOR THE MAKING OF A PRIMA   
   >>> FACIE CLAIM OF #306 - PERFIDE ALBION (IRISH / ITALIAN CATHOLIC ANTI-   
   >>> STATEM RELIGIOUS PERSECUTION) / 31 AUGUST 1942 TETRA #57 - THESIS   
   >>> (SATOR / TENET / ROTAS) AGAINST ERII - PRIVATE JAKE KOVCO'S SELF   
   >>> INFLICTED GUNSHOT 21 APRIL 2006 / PRINCE PHILIP'S BIRTHDAY 10 JUNE   
   >>> 2017 - POPPY WREATH AT BOER WAR MEMORIAL / TREASON BY WELLINGTON   
   >>> SHIRE COUNCILLOR SCOTT ROSSETTI / ARCHBISHOP OF MELBOURNE PETER   
   >>> COMENSOLI THROUGH MARRIAGE OF THE PYTHAGOREAN REGIMES OF BELIEF WITH   
   >>> GERMAN NAZISM [ROMAN PROTOTYPE #TWO: #102 ... #218 ... #306] / [LUO   
   >>> SHU TABLE TALK: #239 - cáng (藏): *HIDDEN* / zh   
   ngxīn (中心):   
   >>> *HEART* / gǔ (骨): *FRAME*; *FRAMEWORK* ... #459]   
   >>>   
   >>> WE NOT ONLY DEMAND THE DEATH PENALTY IS RE-INSTATED BY EDICT OF THE   
   >>> GOVERNOR-GENERAL AND THESE PERSONS GIVE AN IMMEDIATE ACCOUNTABILITY   
   >>>   
   >>> MR BOEK (TRANSCRIPT 5 DECEMBER 2001): "Yes, ma'am, I have - you would   
   >>> have noticed that there were no actual words of threat (NOTING THAT   
   >>> ON 28 OCTOBER 2001 THE POLICE DID NOT RESPOND TO ANY PERCEIVED THREAT   
   >>> WHEN SUBJECT TO THE SAME POEM). They were words that were based on   
   >>> fact in that particular phone call. Here I have a particular   
   >>> mathematical model which is mentioned in that particular phone call.   
   >>> It is based upon a work by Johann Kepler, a German astronomer born in   
   >>> 1571 to 1630. He came up with three rules of which I have come up   
   >>> with a fourth [associated to the ephemeral and mundane as a   
   >>> transcendent fecundate connection to the Vernal and the Autumn   
   >>> Equinox in the 6th year of the 22nd Course of Gamul: 7 x 24 x 13 x 49   
   >>> = 6J as 107016 days or 294 x 364 days or 365.2423 x 293 years -   
   >>> Vernal Equinox Wednesday 20 March 1996 / 21 March].   
   >>>   
   >>> His three rules in terms of astronomical cycles were: (1) that the   
   >>> planet... And then I will get to my bit of relevance to the 6000 years.   
   >>>   
   >>> THE D.PRESIDENT: Yes, yes, yes.   
   >>>   
   >>> MR BOEK: (1) That the planets move in elliptical orbits around the   
   >>> sun which is situated at one of the focus of the ellipses; (2) that   
   >>> the radius vectors joining each planet to the sun describes equal   
   >>> areas in equal times; (3) that the ratio of the square of the   
   >>> planet's year to the cube of the planet's mean distance from the sun   
   >>> is the same for each planet.   
   >>>   
   >>> Now, what I am suggesting is that the 6000 year cycle (ie.   
   >>> temporality #400 (x 365.2423 [7 x 24 x 13 x 49 / 293 years or 6J as   
   >>> 294 x 364 days] = 146,097 days) % 22 = 17 SEPTEMBER / #6000 years %   
   >>> 22 = 13 SEPTEMBER 2001) fits a mathematical model on logic and reason   
   >>> called Telos equals Arch plus C-squared:   
   >>>   
   >>> Telos [122J3W1D] = Arch [3W1D] + c² [9(9²+1)/2]   
   >>>   
   >>> NOTE: WHICH IS ANALOGOUS TO THE PYTHAGOREAN EQUATION: c² = a² + b² /   
   >>> #174 - COEFFICIENT) / #7 - SCIENCE (#TOOLS) = #3 - ASKING ABOUT SHEN   
   >>> [#38 - tiān dào (天道): THE WAY OF HEAVEN] + #4 - FIVE HUNDRED YEARS   
   >>> = 293 (6J) + 207 - FOUNDATIONS?   
   >>>   
   >>> That has been my particular field of study as my retirement activity.   
   >>> A religious pursuit which is, how can I say, an area of #1467 -   
   >>> *CONTEMPLATIVE* life. The best model that can currently be exhibited   
   >>> with regard to this particular thesis is nothing more than Harry   
   >>> Potter and the Philosopher Stone. I raise that as a particular point   
   >>> because the poetry that is used in...   
   >>>   
   >>> 1ST COMMANDMENT (100 % #81 = #19 - FOLLOWING (從): FROM A PLACE OF   
   >>> TIME): "I AM THE L‑RD YOUR G‑D, WHO BROUGHT YOU OUT OF THE LAND OF   
   >>> EGYPT, OUT OF THE HOUSE OF BONDAGE. (אָנֹכִי, ה', א   
   לֹקיךָ, אֲשֶׁר, הוֹצֵאתִיךָ,   
   >>> מֵאֶרֶץ, מִצְרַיִם, מִבֵּית)" [Exodus 20:2]   
   >>>   
   >>> 2ND COMMANDMENT (40 AM - LAW / MODEL (法): METHOD INSTITUTION / EMULATE)   
   >>>   
   >>> 3RD COMMANDMENT (293 % #81 = #50 | 294 % #81 = #51 - CONSTANCY (常):   
   >>> LAW; RULE; REGULAR PATTERN / LAW AND ORDER)   
   >>>   
   >>> #41 - THE EGO: ONE’S SENSE OF SELF (SELF-IDENTITY) / (REMEMBER THE   
   >>> SABBATH)   
   >>>   
   >>> #82 - THE PERSONA: ONE’S SOCIAL MASK (USUALLY MORE THAN ONE) /   
   >>> (HONOUR PARENTS)   
   >>>   
   >>> #123 - THE SELF: THE ORGANIZING PRINCIPLE WITHIN THE PSYCHE / (DO NOT   
      
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