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|    dolf to dolf    |
|    Re: DOLF eats hagelslag (14/33)    |
|    10 Jul 25 08:25:21    |
      [continued from previous message]              >>> cut off from the divine narrative—no longer part of the cosmic memory       >>> of redemption. It’s not just about punishment, but about       >>> disconnection from meaning, belonging, and eternal continuity.       >>>       >>> If you’re exploring this phrase in a philosophical, literary, or       >>> metaphysical context, it opens up fascinating questions about       >>> identity, memory, and moral consequence. Would you like to explore       >>> how this concept maps onto other traditions or symbolic systems?"       >>>       >>> DOLF: "Can it also mean "going to the grave" or hell as a place of no       >>> return?"       >>>       >>> COPILOT @ 1849 HRS ON 2 JULY 2025: "Yes, in many theological and       >>> symbolic interpretations, being “expunged from the Book of Life” is       >>> closely associated with irreversible separation from divine presence,       >>> which can be understood as:       >>>       >>> GOING TO THE GRAVE: In some Hebrew Bible contexts, especially in       >>> Psalms and prophetic literature, being “blotted out” or “cut off”       can       >>> imply premature death or removal from the covenantal community. The       >>> grave (Sheol) is often portrayed as a shadowy realm of silence and       >>> forgetfulness—a place where one no longer participates in the living       >>> memory of God.       >>>       >>> HELL AS A PLACE OF NO RETURN: In Christian eschatology, particularly       >>> in Revelation 20:15, those not found in the Book of Life are “cast       >>> into the lake of fire”. This is interpreted by many as eternal       >>> separation from God—a final, unalterable state of judgment. The       >>> imagery of being “thrown” into this realm underscores its forceful       >>> and irreversible nature.       >>>       >>> SYMBOLIC LAYER: Beyond literalism, the phrase can also signify:       >>>       >>> • Moral exile: a soul so alienated from truth or goodness       >>> that it no longer resonates with the divine order.       >>> • Ontological erasure: not annihilation, but being       forgotten       >>> by the cosmos, no longer part of the unfolding story of life and       >>> meaning.       >>>       >>> So yes—whether as grave, hell, or cosmic oblivion, the phrase evokes       >>> a point of no return, where the soul is no longer inscribed in the       >>> ledger of life, memory, or redemption. If you’d like, we can explore       >>> how this concept compares with other traditions—like the Egyptian       >>> “weighing of the heart” or the Buddhist notion of karmic obscuration.       >>>       >>> DOLF: "Would you concur that it is an expression intrinsic to       >>> Christian belief: "AND FEAR NOT THEM WHICH KILL THE BODY, BUT ARE NOT       >>> ABLE TO KILL THE SOUL: BUT RATHER FEAR HIM WHICH IS ABLE TO DESTROY       >>> BOTH SOUL AND BODY IN HELL." [Matthew 10:28]       >>>       >>> COPILOT @ 1857 HRS ON 2 JULY 2025: "Absolutely—it’s deeply intrinsic       >>> to Christian theology, particularly in how it frames divine authority       >>> over both physical and eternal life.       >>>       >>> Matthew 10:28 is a striking verse where Jesus draws a sharp       >>> distinction between human power (which can end the body) and divine       >>> power (which governs the soul’s destiny). The phrase “destroy both       >>> soul and body in hell” (Greek: Gehenna) underscores a uniquely       >>> Christian eschatological view: that God alone holds ultimate       >>> judgment, not just over temporal life but over eternal consequence.       >>>       >>> This verse also reinforces a core Christian theme: fear of God not as       >>> terror, but as reverent awe of the One who transcends earthly       >>> threats. It’s a call to moral courage—don’t fear persecution or       >>> death, but live in alignment with the One who holds the keys to both       >>> life and afterlife.       >>>       >>> So yes, this expression is not only intrinsic—it’s foundational to       >>> Christian teachings on judgment, the soul’s immortality, and the       >>> sovereignty of God over all realms. If you’re exploring how this       >>> connects to the “Book of Life” or broader metaphysical systems [NOTE:       >>> THIS IS THE CONTEXT OF THE SECOND TELEPHONE CALL], we can trace that       >>> thread further."       >>>       >>> <-- WHICH IS THEN AN IRREFUTABLE GROUNDING FOR THE MAKING OF A PRIMA       >>> FACIE CLAIM OF #306 - PERFIDE ALBION (IRISH / ITALIAN CATHOLIC ANTI-       >>> STATEM RELIGIOUS PERSECUTION) / 31 AUGUST 1942 TETRA #57 - THESIS       >>> (SATOR / TENET / ROTAS) AGAINST ERII - PRIVATE JAKE KOVCO'S SELF       >>> INFLICTED GUNSHOT 21 APRIL 2006 / PRINCE PHILIP'S BIRTHDAY 10 JUNE       >>> 2017 - POPPY WREATH AT BOER WAR MEMORIAL / TREASON BY WELLINGTON       >>> SHIRE COUNCILLOR SCOTT ROSSETTI / ARCHBISHOP OF MELBOURNE PETER       >>> COMENSOLI THROUGH MARRIAGE OF THE PYTHAGOREAN REGIMES OF BELIEF WITH       >>> GERMAN NAZISM [ROMAN PROTOTYPE #TWO: #102 ... #218 ... #306] / [LUO       >>> SHU TABLE TALK: #239 - cáng (藏): *HIDDEN* / zh       ngxīn (中心):       >>> *HEART* / gǔ (骨): *FRAME*; *FRAMEWORK* ... #459]       >>>       >>> WE NOT ONLY DEMAND THE DEATH PENALTY IS RE-INSTATED BY EDICT OF THE       >>> GOVERNOR-GENERAL AND THESE PERSONS GIVE AN IMMEDIATE ACCOUNTABILITY       >>>       >>> MR BOEK (TRANSCRIPT 5 DECEMBER 2001): "Yes, ma'am, I have - you would       >>> have noticed that there were no actual words of threat (NOTING THAT       >>> ON 28 OCTOBER 2001 THE POLICE DID NOT RESPOND TO ANY PERCEIVED THREAT       >>> WHEN SUBJECT TO THE SAME POEM). They were words that were based on       >>> fact in that particular phone call. Here I have a particular       >>> mathematical model which is mentioned in that particular phone call.       >>> It is based upon a work by Johann Kepler, a German astronomer born in       >>> 1571 to 1630. He came up with three rules of which I have come up       >>> with a fourth [associated to the ephemeral and mundane as a       >>> transcendent fecundate connection to the Vernal and the Autumn       >>> Equinox in the 6th year of the 22nd Course of Gamul: 7 x 24 x 13 x 49       >>> = 6J as 107016 days or 294 x 364 days or 365.2423 x 293 years -       >>> Vernal Equinox Wednesday 20 March 1996 / 21 March].       >>>       >>> His three rules in terms of astronomical cycles were: (1) that the       >>> planet... And then I will get to my bit of relevance to the 6000 years.       >>>       >>> THE D.PRESIDENT: Yes, yes, yes.       >>>       >>> MR BOEK: (1) That the planets move in elliptical orbits around the       >>> sun which is situated at one of the focus of the ellipses; (2) that       >>> the radius vectors joining each planet to the sun describes equal       >>> areas in equal times; (3) that the ratio of the square of the       >>> planet's year to the cube of the planet's mean distance from the sun       >>> is the same for each planet.       >>>       >>> Now, what I am suggesting is that the 6000 year cycle (ie.       >>> temporality #400 (x 365.2423 [7 x 24 x 13 x 49 / 293 years or 6J as       >>> 294 x 364 days] = 146,097 days) % 22 = 17 SEPTEMBER / #6000 years %       >>> 22 = 13 SEPTEMBER 2001) fits a mathematical model on logic and reason       >>> called Telos equals Arch plus C-squared:       >>>       >>> Telos [122J3W1D] = Arch [3W1D] + c² [9(9²+1)/2]       >>>       >>> NOTE: WHICH IS ANALOGOUS TO THE PYTHAGOREAN EQUATION: c² = a² + b² /       >>> #174 - COEFFICIENT) / #7 - SCIENCE (#TOOLS) = #3 - ASKING ABOUT SHEN       >>> [#38 - tiān dào (天道): THE WAY OF HEAVEN] + #4 - FIVE HUNDRED YEARS       >>> = 293 (6J) + 207 - FOUNDATIONS?       >>>       >>> That has been my particular field of study as my retirement activity.       >>> A religious pursuit which is, how can I say, an area of #1467 -       >>> *CONTEMPLATIVE* life. The best model that can currently be exhibited       >>> with regard to this particular thesis is nothing more than Harry       >>> Potter and the Philosopher Stone. I raise that as a particular point       >>> because the poetry that is used in...              [continued in next message]              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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