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      [continued from previous message]              >>>>>>>>> *DISPLAY CLEARLY* / *SUN'S* *BRIGHTNESS*: "In the first       >>>>>>>>> (mathematical) class of antinomy, the falsity of the       >>>>>>>>> presupposition consisted in the following: that something self-       >>>>>>>>> contradictory (namely, appearance as a thing in itself) (eg:       >>>>>>>>> #136 - yán (顔): FACIAL APPEARANCE / [#60, #76] | #207 - qù       >>>>>>>>> (去): TO ABANDON; TO GIVE UP / [#31, #45, #65, #66]) would be       >>>>>>>>> represented as being unifiable in a concept. But regarding the       >>>>>>>>> second, namely the dynamical, class of antinomy, the falsity of       >>>>>>>>> the presupposition consists in this: that something that is       >>>>>>>>> unifiable is represented as contradictory; consequently, while       >>>>>>>>> in the first case both of the mutually opposing assertions were       >>>>>>>>> false, here on the contrary the assertions, which are set in       >>>>>>>>> opposition to one another through mere misunderstanding, can       >>>>>>>>> both be true.       >>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>> Specifically, mathematical combination necessarily presupposes       >>>>>>>>> the homogeneity of the things combined (in the concept of       >>>>>>>>> magnitude), but dynamical connection does not require this at       >>>>>>>>> all. If it is a question of the magnitude of something       >>>>>>>>> extended, all parts must be homogeneous among themselves and       >>>>>>>>> with the whole; in contrast, in the connection of cause and       >>>>>>>>> effect homogeneity can indeed be found, but is not necessary;       >>>>>>>>> for the concept of causality (whereby through one thing,       >>>>>>>>> something completely different from it is posited) at least       >>>>>>>>> does not require it.       >>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>> If the objects of the sensible world were taken for things in       >>>>>>>>> themselves, and the previously stated natural laws for laws of       >>>>>>>>> things in themselves, contradiction would be inevitable. In the       >>>>>>>>> same way, if the subject of freedom were represented, like the       >>>>>>>>> other objects, as a mere appearance, contradiction could again       >>>>>>>>> not be avoided, for the same thing would be simultaneously       >>>>>>>>> affirmed and denied of the same object in the same sense. But       >>>>>>>>> if natural necessity is referred only to appearances and       >>>>>>>>> freedom only to things in themselves, then no contradiction       >>>>>>>>> arises if both kinds of causality are assumed or conceded       >>>>>>>>> equally, however difficult or impossible it may be to make       >>>>>>>>> causality of the latter kind conceivable.       >>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>> Within appearance, every effect is an event, or something that       >>>>>>>>> happens in time; the effect must, in accordance with the       >>>>>>>>> universal law of nature, be preceded by a determination of the       >>>>>>>>> causality of its cause (a state of the cause), from which the       >>>>>>>>> effect follows in accordance with a constant law. But this       >>>>>>>>> determination of the cause to causality must also be something       >>>>>>>>> that occurs or takes place; the cause must have begun to act,       >>>>>>>>> for otherwise no sequence in time could be thought between it       >>>>>>>>> and the effect. [IDEA #344] Both the effect and the causality       >>>>>>>>> of the cause would have always existed. Therefore the       >>>>>>>>> determination of the cause to act must also have arisen among       >>>>>>>>> the appearances, and so it must, like its effect, be an event,       >>>>>>>>> which again must have its cause, and so on, and hence natural       >>>>>>>>> necessity must be the condition in accordance with which       >>>>>>>>> efficient causes are determined. Should, by contrast, freedom       >>>>>>>>> be a property of certain causes of appearances, then that       >>>>>>>>> freedom must, in relation to the appearances as events, be a       >>>>>>>>> faculty of starting those events from itself (sponte -       >>>>>>>>> spontaneous), i.e., without the causality of the cause itself       >>>>>>>>> having to begin, and hence without need for any other ground to       >>>>>>>>> determine its beginning. But then the cause, as to its       >>>>>>>>> causality, would not have to be subject to temporal       >>>>>>>>> determinations of its state, i.e., would not have to be       >>>>>>>>> appearance at all, i.e., would have to be taken for a thing in       >>>>>>>>> itself, and only the effects would have to be taken for       >>>>>>>>> appearances.       >>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>> NOTE: The idea of freedom has its place solely in the relation       >>>>>>>>> of the *INTELLECTUAL* (des Intellektuellen), as cause, to the       >>>>>>>>> appearance, as effect. Therefore we cannot bestow freedom upon       >>>>>>>>> matter, in consideration of the unceasing activity by which it       >>>>>>>>> fills its space, even though this activity occurs through an       >>>>>>>>> inner principle. We can just as little find any concept of       >>>>>>>>> freedom to fit a purely intelligible being, e.g., God, insofar       >>>>>>>>> as his action is immanent. For his action, although independent       >>>>>>>>> of causes determining it from outside, nevertheless is       >>>>>>>>> determined in his eternal reason, hence in the divine nature.       >>>>>>>>> Only if something should begin through an action, hence the       >>>>>>>>> effect be found in the time series, and so in the sensible       >>>>>>>>> world (e.g., the beginning of the world), does the question       >>>>>>>>> arise of whether the causality of the cause must itself also       >>>>>>>>> have a beginning, or whether the cause can originate an effect       >>>>>>>>> without its causality itself having a beginning. In the first       >>>>>>>>> case the concept of this causality is a concept of natural       >>>>>>>>> necessity, in the second of freedom. From this the reader will       >>>>>>>>> see that, since I have explained freedom as the faculty to       >>>>>>>>> begin an event by oneself, I have exactly hit that concept       >>>>>>>>> which is the problem of metaphysics.       >>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>> If this sort of influence of intelligible beings on appearances       >>>>>>>>> can be thought without contradiction, then natural necessity       >>>>>>>>> will indeed attach to every connection of cause and effect in       >>>>>>>>> the sensible world, and yet that cause which is itself not an       >>>>>>>>> appearance (though it underlies appearance) will still be       >>>>>>>>> entitled to freedom, and therefore nature and freedom will be       >>>>>>>>> attributable without contradiction to the very same thing, but       >>>>>>>>> in different respects, in the one case as appearance, in the       >>>>>>>>> other as a thing in itself. We have in us a faculty that not       >>>>>>>>> only stands in connection with its subjectively determining       >>>>>>>>> grounds, which are the natural causes of its [IDEA #345]       >>>>>>>>> actions – and thus far is the faculty of a being which itself       >>>>>>>>> belongs to appearances – but that also is related to objective       >>>>>>>>> grounds that are mere ideas, insofar as these ideas can       >>>>>>>>> determine this faculty, a connection that is expressed by ought.       >>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>> This faculty is called reason, and insofar as we are       >>>>>>>>> considering a being (the human being) solely as regards this       >>>>>>>>> objectively determinable reason, this being cannot be       >>>>>>>>> considered as a being of the senses; rather, the aforesaid       >>>>>>>>> property is the property of a thing in itself, and the       >>>>>>>>> possibility of that property – namely, how the ought, which has       >>>>>>>>> never yet happened, can determine the activity of this being       >>>>>>>>> and can be the cause of actions whose effect is an appearance              [continued in next message]              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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