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   dolf to dolf   
   Re: DOLF eats hagelslag (25/36)   
   10 Jul 25 16:38:26   
   
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   >>>>>>>>> in the sensible world – we cannot comprehend at all. Yet the   
   >>>>>>>>> causality of reason with respect to effects in the sensible   
   >>>>>>>>> world would nonetheless be freedom, insofar as objective   
   >>>>>>>>> grounds, which are themselves ideas, are taken to be   
   >>>>>>>>> determining with respect to that causality. For the action of   
   >>>>>>>>> that causality would in that case not depend on any subjective,   
   >>>>>>>>> hence also not on any temporal conditions, and would therefore   
   >>>>>>>>> also not depend on the natural law that serves to determine   
   >>>>>>>>> those conditions, because grounds of reason provide the rule   
   >>>>>>>>> for actions universally, from principles, without influence   
   >>>>>>>>> from the circumstances of time or place.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> What I adduce here counts only as an example, for   
   >>>>>>>>> intelligibility, and does not belong necessarily to our   
   >>>>>>>>> question, which must be decided from mere concepts   
   >>>>>>>>> independently of properties that we find in the actual world.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> I can now say without contradiction: all actions of rational   
   >>>>>>>>> beings, insofar as they are appearances (are encountered in   
   >>>>>>>>> some experience or other), are subject to natural necessity;   
   >>>>>>>>> but the very same actions, with respect only to the rational   
   >>>>>>>>> subject and its faculty of acting in accordance with bare   
   >>>>>>>>> reason, are free. What, then, is required for natural   
   >>>>>>>>> necessity? Nothing more than the determinability of every event   
   >>>>>>>>> in the sensible world according to constant laws, and therefore   
   >>>>>>>>> a relation to a cause within appearance; whereby the underlying   
   >>>>>>>>> thing in itself and its causality remain unknown. But I say:   
   >>>>>>>>> the law of nature remains, whether the rational being be a   
   >>>>>>>>> cause of effects in the sensible world through reason and hence   
   >>>>>>>>> through freedom, or whether that being does not determine such   
   >>>>>>>>> effects through rational grounds. For if the first is the case,   
   >>>>>>>>> the action takes place according to maxims whose effect within   
   >>>>>>>>> appearance will always conform to constant laws; if the second   
   >>>>>>>>> is the case, and the action does not take [IDEA #346] place   
   >>>>>>>>> according to principles of reason, then it is subject to the   
   >>>>>>>>> empirical laws of sensibility, and in both cases the effects   
   >>>>>>>>> are connected according to constant laws; but we require   
   >>>>>>>>> nothing more for natural necessity, and indeed know nothing   
   >>>>>>>>> more of it. In the first case, however, reason is the cause of   
   >>>>>>>>> these natural laws and is therefore free, in the second case   
   >>>>>>>>> the effects flow according to mere natural laws of sensibility,   
   >>>>>>>>> because reason exercises no influence on them; but, because of   
   >>>>>>>>> this, reason is not itself determined by sensibility (which is   
   >>>>>>>>> impossible), and it is therefore also free in this case.   
   >>>>>>>>> Therefore freedom does not impede the natural law of   
   >>>>>>>>> appearances, any more than this law interferes with the freedom   
   >>>>>>>>> of the practical use of reason, a use that stands in connection   
   >>>>>>>>> with things in themselves as determining grounds." [pages 93-97]   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> DOLF: "How is the notion of a civil society related to the   
   >>>>>>>>> inherent human disposition of animus / anima and does such   
   >>>>>>>>> dynamic suggest there is an ontic #22 - jié (結): *FORMATIONAL*   
   >>>>>>>>> (circumscribed as bounding) #135 - níng (凝): *CONGEALING* /   
   >>>>>>>>> [#56, #79] concept of facilitated arbitration as #174 -   
   >>>>>>>>> CYBERNETIC SYSTEMIC / ANTHROPOMORPHIC PRINCIPLE which when   
   >>>>>>>>> disordered possesses an attenuated #152 / #174 - yí (疑):   
   >>>>>>>>> *DEFICIENCY* / [#29, #61, #62, #22] that may in a chronic   
   >>>>>>>>> ontological state be regarded as either delinquency or   
   >>>>>>>>> reprobation?"   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> CAN REFUSAL OF COMMUNION BY IRISH CATHOLIC ARCHBISHOP PELL ON BOER   
   >>>>>> WAR MEMORIAL DAY / PENTECOST SUNDAY 31 MAY 1998 BE BROUGHT BEFORE   
   >>>>>> THE INTERNATIONAL CRIMINAL COURT?   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Instances of the most serious international crimes, such as war   
   >>>>>> crimes, crimes of aggression, genocide and crime against humanity   
   >>>>>> (eg: RECLAIM THE #1827 - EUCHARIST / PENTECOST FROM    
    - SWASTIKA   
   >>>>>> OBSTRUCTION / BABYLONIAN [#314 - mágos (G3097): *WISE* *MEN* /   
   >>>>>> #335 - Kasday (H3779): CHALDEAN / #87 - BABYLONIAN KING (circa 721   
   >>>>>> BC) as [#2 - FULL CIRCLE (周), #30 - BOLD RESOLUTION (毅), #1 -   
   >>>>>> CENTRE (中), #4 - BARRIER (閑), #50 - VASTNESS / WASTING (唐)]   
   >>>>>> being ANTI- STATISM ARTIFICE as UNCONSTITUTIONAL: SECTION II:   
   >>>>>> UNALIENABLE RIGHTS TRANSFERENCE PROTOCOL ] PERSECUTION OF JEWISH -   
   >>>>>> CHRISTIANS AS SUBSTANTIATED CLAIM TO BELIEF #100 + 40 AM as 3860   
   >>>>>> BCE + 20 x (293 x 365.2423 TROPICAL YEARS | 294 x 364 | 6J) + 1   
   >>>>>> (NO 0 CE)  = 2001 CE (NEW MOON 20 MARCH 1996 + 5 x 364 + 182 = 12   
   >>>>>> SEPTEMBER 2001 + 182 = NEW MOON 13 / 14 MARCH 2002), can be   
   >>>>>> brought before the International Criminal Court, a permanent   
   >>>>>> international tribunal. It was established by the ROME STATUTE   
   >>>>>> adopted 17 JULY 1998.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> On 11 APRIL 2002, ten countries ratified the statute at the same   
   >>>>>> time at a special ceremony held at the United Nations headquarters   
   >>>>>> in New York City,[21] bringing the total number of signatories to   
   >>>>>> sixty, which was the minimum number required to bring the statute   
   >>>>>> into force, as defined in Article 126. The treaty entered into   
   >>>>>> force on 1 July 2002; the ICC can only prosecute crimes committed   
   >>>>>> (vis a vis in support of the EUCHARIST / PENTECOST FROM    
    -   
   >>>>>> SWASTIKA OBSTRUCTION as ANTI-STATISM impetus HIJACKING ANZAC   
   >>>>>> CENTENNIAL 2018 BY MARTIN TANZER, ROSS JACKSON - RETURNED SERVICES   
   >>>>>> LEAGUE / DARREN CHESTER / WELLINGTON SHIRE COUNCI ANTI-SEMITISM /   
   >>>>>> VISCERAL RACIAL HATRED AS PERSECUTION) on or after that date. and   
   >>>>>> entered into force  JULY 2002.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>    
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>    
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> [IMAGE SOURCE: Victorian Honour Roll of Women (2011) Inspirational   
   >>>>>> women from all walks of life]   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> SYNAPSE QUOTIENT FOR CONSIDERATION IN MAKING AN ACCUSATION OF   
   >>>>>> CONTEMN (WHITE COLONIAL IMPERIALIST / HISTORICAL ANTI-STATISM   
   >>>>>> REVISIONIST AS NON DIFFERENTIATED CHRISTO-FASCISM EXCEPTING BY   
   >>>>>> HAUGHTY SELF- ENTITLEMENT) AGAINST DOCTOR DIANE SISELY VEOC   
   >>>>>> (1994-2004): Given that the CENTRAL PREMISE to this SAPIENT   
   >>>>>> UTILITARIAN / TEMPORAL DYNAMIC is the mathematical meta-   
   >>>>>> descriptive dialectic as idea template (AS OUR INTELLECTUAL   
   >>>>>> PROPERTY TO WHICH DOCTOR SISELY HAS NEVER CONFORMED) to the   
   >>>>>> AMERICAN DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE 4 JULY 1776 and BILL OF   
   >>>>>> RIGHTS 15 DECEMBER 1791 which frames #87 - UNALIENABLE RIGHTS that   
   >>>>>> are also implicit within QUEEN VICTORIA'S LETTERS PATENT dated 29   
   >>>>>> OCTOBER 1900 being principles upon which the respective REPUBLIC /   
   >>>>>> COMMONWEALTH were established.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> [#74]   
   >>>>>>>>> [#14, #17]   
   >>>>>>>>> [#3, #11, #18, #32, #34, #49, #54, #60, #66, #67, #73, #76, #78]   
   >>>>>>>>> [#23, #26, #27, #31, #34, #38, #44, #67]   
   >>>>>>>>> [#5, #6, #17, #39, #57, #77]   
   >>>>>>>>> [#37, #47, #78]   
   >>>>>>>>> [#12, #67]   
      
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