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      [continued from previous message]              >>>>>>>> #273 - SYNCRETIC PROGRESSION (#208 - EVALUATE / EXPRESS + #65 -       >>>>>>>> INNER (內)) is also a vEVENT grounding relative to temporality       >>>>>>>> which is requisite for consciousness--appreciate I am making       >>>>>>>> quite the statement as postulate for further informal research.       >>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>> #67 #54 #47       >>>>>>>> #70 #68 #48       >>>>>>>> #03 #05 #07       >>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>> #1092 = [#364 - ENQUIRY, #312 - CONTRADICTION, #416 (#405 + #9 -       >>>>>>>> BRANCHING OUT) - ORTHOLOGY: #143 - ONTIC GROUNDING + #273 -       >>>>>>>> SYNCRETIC PROGRESSION (#208 - EVALUATE / EXPRESS + #65 - INNER       >>>>>>>> (內))]       >>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>> IMMANUEL KANT PROLEGOMENA (1783) COMMENTARY ON SECTION #53 -       >>>>>>>> INCREASING EVIDENCE, GAINING INSIGHT; I-CHING: H13 - FELLOWSHIP,       >>>>>>>> COMPANIONSHIP, CONCORDING PEOPLE, FELLOWSHIP WITH MEN, GATHERING       >>>>>>>> MEN; TETRA: 53 - ETERNITY (YUNG) AS MARGIN IDEA #343 = #207 -       >>>>>>>> rèn (軔): *TO* *BRAKE* + #136 - zhāo (昭): *DISPLAY CLEARLY* /       >>>>>>>> *SUN'S* *BRIGHTNESS*: "In the first (mathematical) class of       >>>>>>>> antinomy, the falsity of the presupposition consisted in the       >>>>>>>> following: that something self- contradictory (namely,       >>>>>>>> appearance as a thing in itself) (eg: #136 - yán (顔): FACIAL       >>>>>>>> APPEARANCE / [#60, #76] | #207 - qù (去): TO ABANDON; TO GIVE       >>>>>>>> UP / [#31, #45, #65, #66]) would be represented as being       >>>>>>>> unifiable in a concept. But regarding the second, namely the       >>>>>>>> dynamical, class of antinomy, the falsity of the presupposition       >>>>>>>> consists in this: that something that is unifiable is       >>>>>>>> represented as contradictory; consequently, while in the first       >>>>>>>> case both of the mutually opposing assertions were false, here       >>>>>>>> on the contrary the assertions, which are set in opposition to       >>>>>>>> one another through mere misunderstanding, can both be true.       >>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>> Specifically, mathematical combination necessarily presupposes       >>>>>>>> the homogeneity of the things combined (in the concept of       >>>>>>>> magnitude), but dynamical connection does not require this at       >>>>>>>> all. If it is a question of the magnitude of something extended,       >>>>>>>> all parts must be homogeneous among themselves and with the       >>>>>>>> whole; in contrast, in the connection of cause and effect       >>>>>>>> homogeneity can indeed be found, but is not necessary; for the       >>>>>>>> concept of causality (whereby through one thing, something       >>>>>>>> completely different from it is posited) at least does not       >>>>>>>> require it.       >>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>> If the objects of the sensible world were taken for things in       >>>>>>>> themselves, and the previously stated natural laws for laws of       >>>>>>>> things in themselves, contradiction would be inevitable. In the       >>>>>>>> same way, if the subject of freedom were represented, like the       >>>>>>>> other objects, as a mere appearance, contradiction could again       >>>>>>>> not be avoided, for the same thing would be simultaneously       >>>>>>>> affirmed and denied of the same object in the same sense. But if       >>>>>>>> natural necessity is referred only to appearances and freedom       >>>>>>>> only to things in themselves, then no contradiction arises if       >>>>>>>> both kinds of causality are assumed or conceded equally, however       >>>>>>>> difficult or impossible it may be to make causality of the       >>>>>>>> latter kind conceivable.       >>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>> Within appearance, every effect is an event, or something that       >>>>>>>> happens in time; the effect must, in accordance with the       >>>>>>>> universal law of nature, be preceded by a determination of the       >>>>>>>> causality of its cause (a state of the cause), from which the       >>>>>>>> effect follows in accordance with a constant law. But this       >>>>>>>> determination of the cause to causality must also be something       >>>>>>>> that occurs or takes place; the cause must have begun to act,       >>>>>>>> for otherwise no sequence in time could be thought between it       >>>>>>>> and the effect. [IDEA #344] Both the effect and the causality of       >>>>>>>> the cause would have always existed. Therefore the determination       >>>>>>>> of the cause to act must also have arisen among the appearances,       >>>>>>>> and so it must, like its effect, be an event, which again must       >>>>>>>> have its cause, and so on, and hence natural necessity must be       >>>>>>>> the condition in accordance with which efficient causes are       >>>>>>>> determined. Should, by contrast, freedom be a property of       >>>>>>>> certain causes of appearances, then that freedom must, in       >>>>>>>> relation to the appearances as events, be a faculty of starting       >>>>>>>> those events from itself (sponte - spontaneous), i.e., without       >>>>>>>> the causality of the cause itself having to begin, and hence       >>>>>>>> without need for any other ground to determine its beginning.       >>>>>>>> But then the cause, as to its causality, would not have to be       >>>>>>>> subject to temporal determinations of its state, i.e., would not       >>>>>>>> have to be appearance at all, i.e., would have to be taken for a       >>>>>>>> thing in itself, and only the effects would have to be taken for       >>>>>>>> appearances.       >>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>> NOTE: The idea of freedom has its place solely in the relation       >>>>>>>> of the *INTELLECTUAL* (des Intellektuellen), as cause, to the       >>>>>>>> appearance, as effect. Therefore we cannot bestow freedom upon       >>>>>>>> matter, in consideration of the unceasing activity by which it       >>>>>>>> fills its space, even though this activity occurs through an       >>>>>>>> inner principle. We can just as little find any concept of       >>>>>>>> freedom to fit a purely intelligible being, e.g., God, insofar       >>>>>>>> as his action is immanent. For his action, although independent       >>>>>>>> of causes determining it from outside, nevertheless is       >>>>>>>> determined in his eternal reason, hence in the divine nature.       >>>>>>>> Only if something should begin through an action, hence the       >>>>>>>> effect be found in the time series, and so in the sensible world       >>>>>>>> (e.g., the beginning of the world), does the question arise of       >>>>>>>> whether the causality of the cause must itself also have a       >>>>>>>> beginning, or whether the cause can originate an effect without       >>>>>>>> its causality itself having a beginning. In the first case the       >>>>>>>> concept of this causality is a concept of natural necessity, in       >>>>>>>> the second of freedom. From this the reader will see that, since       >>>>>>>> I have explained freedom as the faculty to begin an event by       >>>>>>>> oneself, I have exactly hit that concept which is the problem of       >>>>>>>> metaphysics.       >>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>> If this sort of influence of intelligible beings on appearances       >>>>>>>> can be thought without contradiction, then natural necessity       >>>>>>>> will indeed attach to every connection of cause and effect in       >>>>>>>> the sensible world, and yet that cause which is itself not an       >>>>>>>> appearance (though it underlies appearance) will still be       >>>>>>>> entitled to freedom, and therefore nature and freedom will be       >>>>>>>> attributable without contradiction to the very same thing, but       >>>>>>>> in different respects, in the one case as appearance, in the       >>>>>>>> other as a thing in itself. We have in us a faculty that not       >>>>>>>> only stands in connection with its subjectively determining       >>>>>>>> grounds, which are the natural causes of its [IDEA #345] actions              [continued in next message]              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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