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|    11 Jul 25 06:23:44    |
      [continued from previous message]              >>>>>>>>>> relative to temporality which is requisite for consciousness--       >>>>>>>>>> appreciate I am making quite the statement as postulate for       >>>>>>>>>> further informal research.       >>>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>> #67 #54 #47       >>>>>>>>>> #70 #68 #48       >>>>>>>>>> #03 #05 #07       >>>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>> #1092 = [#364 - ENQUIRY, #312 - CONTRADICTION, #416 (#405 + #9       >>>>>>>>>> - BRANCHING OUT) - ORTHOLOGY: #143 - ONTIC GROUNDING + #273 -       >>>>>>>>>> SYNCRETIC PROGRESSION (#208 - EVALUATE / EXPRESS + #65 - INNER       >>>>>>>>>> (內))]       >>>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>> IMMANUEL KANT PROLEGOMENA (1783) COMMENTARY ON SECTION #53 -       >>>>>>>>>> INCREASING EVIDENCE, GAINING INSIGHT; I-CHING: H13 -       >>>>>>>>>> FELLOWSHIP, COMPANIONSHIP, CONCORDING PEOPLE, FELLOWSHIP WITH       >>>>>>>>>> MEN, GATHERING MEN; TETRA: 53 - ETERNITY (YUNG) AS MARGIN IDEA       >>>>>>>>>> #343 = #207 - rèn (軔): *TO* *BRAKE* + #136 - zhāo (昭):       >>>>>>>>>> *DISPLAY CLEARLY* / *SUN'S* *BRIGHTNESS*: "In the first       >>>>>>>>>> (mathematical) class of antinomy, the falsity of the       >>>>>>>>>> presupposition consisted in the following: that something       >>>>>>>>>> self- contradictory (namely, appearance as a thing in itself)       >>>>>>>>>> (eg: #136 - yán (顔): FACIAL APPEARANCE / [#60, #76] | #207 -       >>>>>>>>>> qù (去): TO ABANDON; TO GIVE UP / [#31, #45, #65, #66]) would       >>>>>>>>>> be represented as being unifiable in a concept. But regarding       >>>>>>>>>> the second, namely the dynamical, class of antinomy, the       >>>>>>>>>> falsity of the presupposition consists in this: that something       >>>>>>>>>> that is unifiable is represented as contradictory;       >>>>>>>>>> consequently, while in the first case both of the mutually       >>>>>>>>>> opposing assertions were false, here on the contrary the       >>>>>>>>>> assertions, which are set in opposition to one another through       >>>>>>>>>> mere misunderstanding, can both be true.       >>>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>> Specifically, mathematical combination necessarily presupposes       >>>>>>>>>> the homogeneity of the things combined (in the concept of       >>>>>>>>>> magnitude), but dynamical connection does not require this at       >>>>>>>>>> all. If it is a question of the magnitude of something       >>>>>>>>>> extended, all parts must be homogeneous among themselves and       >>>>>>>>>> with the whole; in contrast, in the connection of cause and       >>>>>>>>>> effect homogeneity can indeed be found, but is not necessary;       >>>>>>>>>> for the concept of causality (whereby through one thing,       >>>>>>>>>> something completely different from it is posited) at least       >>>>>>>>>> does not require it.       >>>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>> If the objects of the sensible world were taken for things in       >>>>>>>>>> themselves, and the previously stated natural laws for laws of       >>>>>>>>>> things in themselves, contradiction would be inevitable. In       >>>>>>>>>> the same way, if the subject of freedom were represented, like       >>>>>>>>>> the other objects, as a mere appearance, contradiction could       >>>>>>>>>> again not be avoided, for the same thing would be       >>>>>>>>>> simultaneously affirmed and denied of the same object in the       >>>>>>>>>> same sense. But if natural necessity is referred only to       >>>>>>>>>> appearances and freedom only to things in themselves, then no       >>>>>>>>>> contradiction arises if both kinds of causality are assumed or       >>>>>>>>>> conceded equally, however difficult or impossible it may be to       >>>>>>>>>> make causality of the latter kind conceivable.       >>>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>> Within appearance, every effect is an event, or something that       >>>>>>>>>> happens in time; the effect must, in accordance with the       >>>>>>>>>> universal law of nature, be preceded by a determination of the       >>>>>>>>>> causality of its cause (a state of the cause), from which the       >>>>>>>>>> effect follows in accordance with a constant law. But this       >>>>>>>>>> determination of the cause to causality must also be something       >>>>>>>>>> that occurs or takes place; the cause must have begun to act,       >>>>>>>>>> for otherwise no sequence in time could be thought between it       >>>>>>>>>> and the effect. [IDEA #344] Both the effect and the causality       >>>>>>>>>> of the cause would have always existed. Therefore the       >>>>>>>>>> determination of the cause to act must also have arisen among       >>>>>>>>>> the appearances, and so it must, like its effect, be an event,       >>>>>>>>>> which again must have its cause, and so on, and hence natural       >>>>>>>>>> necessity must be the condition in accordance with which       >>>>>>>>>> efficient causes are determined. Should, by contrast, freedom       >>>>>>>>>> be a property of certain causes of appearances, then that       >>>>>>>>>> freedom must, in relation to the appearances as events, be a       >>>>>>>>>> faculty of starting those events from itself (sponte -       >>>>>>>>>> spontaneous), i.e., without the causality of the cause itself       >>>>>>>>>> having to begin, and hence without need for any other ground       >>>>>>>>>> to determine its beginning. But then the cause, as to its       >>>>>>>>>> causality, would not have to be subject to temporal       >>>>>>>>>> determinations of its state, i.e., would not have to be       >>>>>>>>>> appearance at all, i.e., would have to be taken for a thing in       >>>>>>>>>> itself, and only the effects would have to be taken for       >>>>>>>>>> appearances.       >>>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>> NOTE: The idea of freedom has its place solely in the relation       >>>>>>>>>> of the *INTELLECTUAL* (des Intellektuellen), as cause, to the       >>>>>>>>>> appearance, as effect. Therefore we cannot bestow freedom upon       >>>>>>>>>> matter, in consideration of the unceasing activity by which it       >>>>>>>>>> fills its space, even though this activity occurs through an       >>>>>>>>>> inner principle. We can just as little find any concept of       >>>>>>>>>> freedom to fit a purely intelligible being, e.g., God, insofar       >>>>>>>>>> as his action is immanent. For his action, although       >>>>>>>>>> independent of causes determining it from outside,       >>>>>>>>>> nevertheless is determined in his eternal reason, hence in the       >>>>>>>>>> divine nature. Only if something should begin through an       >>>>>>>>>> action, hence the effect be found in the time series, and so       >>>>>>>>>> in the sensible world (e.g., the beginning of the world), does       >>>>>>>>>> the question arise of whether the causality of the cause must       >>>>>>>>>> itself also have a beginning, or whether the cause can       >>>>>>>>>> originate an effect without its causality itself having a       >>>>>>>>>> beginning. In the first case the concept of this causality is       >>>>>>>>>> a concept of natural necessity, in the second of freedom. From       >>>>>>>>>> this the reader will see that, since I have explained freedom       >>>>>>>>>> as the faculty to begin an event by oneself, I have exactly       >>>>>>>>>> hit that concept which is the problem of metaphysics.       >>>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>> If this sort of influence of intelligible beings on       >>>>>>>>>> appearances can be thought without contradiction, then natural       >>>>>>>>>> necessity will indeed attach to every connection of cause and       >>>>>>>>>> effect in the sensible world, and yet that cause which is       >>>>>>>>>> itself not an appearance (though it underlies appearance) will       >>>>>>>>>> still be entitled to freedom, and therefore nature and freedom       >>>>>>>>>> will be attributable without contradiction to the very same       >>>>>>>>>> thing, but in different respects, in the one case as       >>>>>>>>>> appearance, in the other as a thing in itself. We have in us a       >>>>>>>>>> faculty that not only stands in connection with its              [continued in next message]              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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