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      [continued from previous message]              >>>>>>>>>>> MEN, GATHERING MEN; TETRA: 53 - ETERNITY (YUNG) AS MARGIN       >>>>>>>>>>> IDEA #343 = #207 - rèn (軔): *TO* *BRAKE* + #136 - zhāo (昭):       >>>>>>>>>>> *DISPLAY CLEARLY* / *SUN'S* *BRIGHTNESS*: "In the first       >>>>>>>>>>> (mathematical) class of antinomy, the falsity of the       >>>>>>>>>>> presupposition consisted in the following: that something       >>>>>>>>>>> self- contradictory (namely, appearance as a thing in itself)       >>>>>>>>>>> (eg: #136 - yán (顔): FACIAL APPEARANCE / [#60, #76] | #207 -       >>>>>>>>>>> qù (去): TO ABANDON; TO GIVE UP / [#31, #45, #65, #66]) would       >>>>>>>>>>> be represented as being unifiable in a concept. But regarding       >>>>>>>>>>> the second, namely the dynamical, class of antinomy, the       >>>>>>>>>>> falsity of the presupposition consists in this: that       >>>>>>>>>>> something that is unifiable is represented as contradictory;       >>>>>>>>>>> consequently, while in the first case both of the mutually       >>>>>>>>>>> opposing assertions were false, here on the contrary the       >>>>>>>>>>> assertions, which are set in opposition to one another       >>>>>>>>>>> through mere misunderstanding, can both be true.       >>>>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>>> Specifically, mathematical combination necessarily       >>>>>>>>>>> presupposes the homogeneity of the things combined (in the       >>>>>>>>>>> concept of magnitude), but dynamical connection does not       >>>>>>>>>>> require this at all. If it is a question of the magnitude of       >>>>>>>>>>> something extended, all parts must be homogeneous among       >>>>>>>>>>> themselves and with the whole; in contrast, in the connection       >>>>>>>>>>> of cause and effect homogeneity can indeed be found, but is       >>>>>>>>>>> not necessary; for the concept of causality (whereby through       >>>>>>>>>>> one thing, something completely different from it is posited)       >>>>>>>>>>> at least does not require it.       >>>>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>>> If the objects of the sensible world were taken for things in       >>>>>>>>>>> themselves, and the previously stated natural laws for laws       >>>>>>>>>>> of things in themselves, contradiction would be inevitable.       >>>>>>>>>>> In the same way, if the subject of freedom were represented,       >>>>>>>>>>> like the other objects, as a mere appearance, contradiction       >>>>>>>>>>> could again not be avoided, for the same thing would be       >>>>>>>>>>> simultaneously affirmed and denied of the same object in the       >>>>>>>>>>> same sense. But if natural necessity is referred only to       >>>>>>>>>>> appearances and freedom only to things in themselves, then no       >>>>>>>>>>> contradiction arises if both kinds of causality are assumed       >>>>>>>>>>> or conceded equally, however difficult or impossible it may       >>>>>>>>>>> be to make causality of the latter kind conceivable.       >>>>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>>> Within appearance, every effect is an event, or something       >>>>>>>>>>> that happens in time; the effect must, in accordance with the       >>>>>>>>>>> universal law of nature, be preceded by a determination of       >>>>>>>>>>> the causality of its cause (a state of the cause), from which       >>>>>>>>>>> the effect follows in accordance with a constant law. But       >>>>>>>>>>> this determination of the cause to causality must also be       >>>>>>>>>>> something that occurs or takes place; the cause must have       >>>>>>>>>>> begun to act, for otherwise no sequence in time could be       >>>>>>>>>>> thought between it and the effect. [IDEA #344] Both the       >>>>>>>>>>> effect and the causality of the cause would have always       >>>>>>>>>>> existed. Therefore the determination of the cause to act must       >>>>>>>>>>> also have arisen among the appearances, and so it must, like       >>>>>>>>>>> its effect, be an event, which again must have its cause, and       >>>>>>>>>>> so on, and hence natural necessity must be the condition in       >>>>>>>>>>> accordance with which efficient causes are determined.       >>>>>>>>>>> Should, by contrast, freedom be a property of certain causes       >>>>>>>>>>> of appearances, then that freedom must, in relation to the       >>>>>>>>>>> appearances as events, be a faculty of starting those events       >>>>>>>>>>> from itself (sponte - spontaneous), i.e., without the       >>>>>>>>>>> causality of the cause itself having to begin, and hence       >>>>>>>>>>> without need for any other ground to determine its beginning.       >>>>>>>>>>> But then the cause, as to its causality, would not have to be       >>>>>>>>>>> subject to temporal determinations of its state, i.e., would       >>>>>>>>>>> not have to be appearance at all, i.e., would have to be       >>>>>>>>>>> taken for a thing in itself, and only the effects would have       >>>>>>>>>>> to be taken for appearances.       >>>>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>>> NOTE: The idea of freedom has its place solely in the       >>>>>>>>>>> relation of the *INTELLECTUAL* (des Intellektuellen), as       >>>>>>>>>>> cause, to the appearance, as effect. Therefore we cannot       >>>>>>>>>>> bestow freedom upon matter, in consideration of the unceasing       >>>>>>>>>>> activity by which it fills its space, even though this       >>>>>>>>>>> activity occurs through an inner principle. We can just as       >>>>>>>>>>> little find any concept of freedom to fit a purely       >>>>>>>>>>> intelligible being, e.g., God, insofar as his action is       >>>>>>>>>>> immanent. For his action, although independent of causes       >>>>>>>>>>> determining it from outside, nevertheless is determined in       >>>>>>>>>>> his eternal reason, hence in the divine nature. Only if       >>>>>>>>>>> something should begin through an action, hence the effect be       >>>>>>>>>>> found in the time series, and so in the sensible world (e.g.,       >>>>>>>>>>> the beginning of the world), does the question arise of       >>>>>>>>>>> whether the causality of the cause must itself also have a       >>>>>>>>>>> beginning, or whether the cause can originate an effect       >>>>>>>>>>> without its causality itself having a beginning. In the first       >>>>>>>>>>> case the concept of this causality is a concept of natural       >>>>>>>>>>> necessity, in the second of freedom. From this the reader       >>>>>>>>>>> will see that, since I have explained freedom as the faculty       >>>>>>>>>>> to begin an event by oneself, I have exactly hit that concept       >>>>>>>>>>> which is the problem of metaphysics.       >>>>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>>> If this sort of influence of intelligible beings on       >>>>>>>>>>> appearances can be thought without contradiction, then       >>>>>>>>>>> natural necessity will indeed attach to every connection of       >>>>>>>>>>> cause and effect in the sensible world, and yet that cause       >>>>>>>>>>> which is itself not an appearance (though it underlies       >>>>>>>>>>> appearance) will still be entitled to freedom, and therefore       >>>>>>>>>>> nature and freedom will be attributable without contradiction       >>>>>>>>>>> to the very same thing, but in different respects, in the one       >>>>>>>>>>> case as appearance, in the other as a thing in itself. We       >>>>>>>>>>> have in us a faculty that not only stands in connection with       >>>>>>>>>>> its subjectively determining grounds, which are the natural       >>>>>>>>>>> causes of its [IDEA #345] actions – and thus far is the       >>>>>>>>>>> faculty of a being which itself belongs to appearances – but       >>>>>>>>>>> that also is related to objective grounds that are mere       >>>>>>>>>>> ideas, insofar as these ideas can determine this faculty, a       >>>>>>>>>>> connection that is expressed by ought.       >>>>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>>> This faculty is called reason, and insofar as we are       >>>>>>>>>>> considering a being (the human being) solely as regards this       >>>>>>>>>>> objectively determinable reason, this being cannot be              [continued in next message]              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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