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   dolf to dolf   
   Re: DOLF eats hagelslag (30/41)   
   11 Jul 25 06:25:19   
   
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   >>>>>>>>>> of its [IDEA #345] actions – and thus far is the faculty of a   
   >>>>>>>>>> being which itself belongs to appearances – but that also is   
   >>>>>>>>>> related to objective grounds that are mere ideas, insofar as   
   >>>>>>>>>> these ideas can determine this faculty, a connection that is   
   >>>>>>>>>> expressed by ought.   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> This faculty is called reason, and insofar as we are   
   >>>>>>>>>> considering a being (the human being) solely as regards this   
   >>>>>>>>>> objectively determinable reason, this being cannot be   
   >>>>>>>>>> considered as a being of the senses; rather, the aforesaid   
   >>>>>>>>>> property is the property of a thing in itself, and the   
   >>>>>>>>>> possibility of that property – namely, how the ought, which   
   >>>>>>>>>> has never yet happened, can determine the activity of this   
   >>>>>>>>>> being and can be the cause of actions whose effect is an   
   >>>>>>>>>> appearance in the sensible world – we cannot comprehend at   
   >>>>>>>>>> all. Yet the causality of reason with respect to effects in   
   >>>>>>>>>> the sensible world would nonetheless be freedom, insofar as   
   >>>>>>>>>> objective grounds, which are themselves ideas, are taken to be   
   >>>>>>>>>> determining with respect to that causality. For the action of   
   >>>>>>>>>> that causality would in that case not depend on any   
   >>>>>>>>>> subjective, hence also not on any temporal conditions, and   
   >>>>>>>>>> would therefore also not depend on the natural law that serves   
   >>>>>>>>>> to determine those conditions, because grounds of reason   
   >>>>>>>>>> provide the rule for actions universally, from principles,   
   >>>>>>>>>> without influence from the circumstances of time or place.   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> What I adduce here counts only as an example, for   
   >>>>>>>>>> intelligibility, and does not belong necessarily to our   
   >>>>>>>>>> question, which must be decided from mere concepts   
   >>>>>>>>>> independently of properties that we find in the actual world.   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> I can now say without contradiction: all actions of rational   
   >>>>>>>>>> beings, insofar as they are appearances (are encountered in   
   >>>>>>>>>> some experience or other), are subject to natural necessity;   
   >>>>>>>>>> but the very same actions, with respect only to the rational   
   >>>>>>>>>> subject and its faculty of acting in accordance with bare   
   >>>>>>>>>> reason, are free. What, then, is required for natural   
   >>>>>>>>>> necessity? Nothing more than the determinability of every   
   >>>>>>>>>> event in the sensible world according to constant laws, and   
   >>>>>>>>>> therefore a relation to a cause within appearance; whereby the   
   >>>>>>>>>> underlying thing in itself and its causality remain unknown.   
   >>>>>>>>>> But I say: the law of nature remains, whether the rational   
   >>>>>>>>>> being be a cause of effects in the sensible world through   
   >>>>>>>>>> reason and hence through freedom, or whether that being does   
   >>>>>>>>>> not determine such effects through rational grounds. For if   
   >>>>>>>>>> the first is the case, the action takes place according to   
   >>>>>>>>>> maxims whose effect within appearance will always conform to   
   >>>>>>>>>> constant laws; if the second is the case, and the action does   
   >>>>>>>>>> not take [IDEA #346] place according to principles of reason,   
   >>>>>>>>>> then it is subject to the empirical laws of sensibility, and   
   >>>>>>>>>> in both cases the effects are connected according to constant   
   >>>>>>>>>> laws; but we require nothing more for natural necessity, and   
   >>>>>>>>>> indeed know nothing more of it. In the first case, however,   
   >>>>>>>>>> reason is the cause of these natural laws and is therefore   
   >>>>>>>>>> free, in the second case the effects flow according to mere   
   >>>>>>>>>> natural laws of sensibility, because reason exercises no   
   >>>>>>>>>> influence on them; but, because of this, reason is not itself   
   >>>>>>>>>> determined by sensibility (which is impossible), and it is   
   >>>>>>>>>> therefore also free in this case. Therefore freedom does not   
   >>>>>>>>>> impede the natural law of appearances, any more than this law   
   >>>>>>>>>> interferes with the freedom of the practical use of reason, a   
   >>>>>>>>>> use that stands in connection with things in themselves as   
   >>>>>>>>>> determining grounds." [pages 93-97]   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> DOLF: "How is the notion of a civil society related to the   
   >>>>>>>>>> inherent human disposition of animus / anima and does such   
   >>>>>>>>>> dynamic suggest there is an ontic #22 - jié (結):   
   >>>>>>>>>> *FORMATIONAL* (circumscribed as bounding) #135 - níng (凝):   
   >>>>>>>>>> *CONGEALING* / [#56, #79] concept of facilitated arbitration   
   >>>>>>>>>> as #174 - CYBERNETIC SYSTEMIC / ANTHROPOMORPHIC PRINCIPLE   
   >>>>>>>>>> which when disordered possesses an attenuated #152 / #174 - yí   
   >>>>>>>>>> (疑): *DEFICIENCY* / [#29, #61, #62, #22] that may in a   
   >>>>>>>>>> chronic ontological state be regarded as either delinquency or   
   >>>>>>>>>> reprobation?"   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> CAN REFUSAL OF COMMUNION BY IRISH CATHOLIC ARCHBISHOP PELL ON   
   >>>>>>> BOER WAR MEMORIAL DAY / PENTECOST SUNDAY 31 MAY 1998 BE BROUGHT   
   >>>>>>> BEFORE THE INTERNATIONAL CRIMINAL COURT?   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> Instances of the most serious international crimes, such as war   
   >>>>>>> crimes, crimes of aggression, genocide and crime against humanity   
   >>>>>>> (eg: RECLAIM THE #1827 - EUCHARIST / PENTECOST FROM    
    - SWASTIKA   
   >>>>>>> OBSTRUCTION / BABYLONIAN [#314 - mágos (G3097): *WISE* *MEN* /   
   >>>>>>> #335 - Kasday (H3779): CHALDEAN / #87 - BABYLONIAN KING (circa   
   >>>>>>> 721 BC) as [#2 - FULL CIRCLE (周), #30 - BOLD RESOLUTION (毅), #1   
   >>>>>>> - CENTRE (中), #4 - BARRIER (閑), #50 - VASTNESS / WASTING (唐)]   
   >>>>>>> being ANTI- STATISM ARTIFICE as UNCONSTITUTIONAL: SECTION II:   
   >>>>>>> UNALIENABLE RIGHTS TRANSFERENCE PROTOCOL ] PERSECUTION OF JEWISH   
   >>>>>>> - CHRISTIANS AS SUBSTANTIATED CLAIM TO BELIEF #100 + 40 AM as   
   >>>>>>> 3860 BCE + 20 x (293 x 365.2423 TROPICAL YEARS | 294 x 364 | 6J)   
   >>>>>>> + 1 (NO 0 CE)  = 2001 CE (NEW MOON 20 MARCH 1996 + 5 x 364 + 182   
   >>>>>>> = 12 SEPTEMBER 2001 + 182 = NEW MOON 13 / 14 MARCH 2002), can be   
   >>>>>>> brought before the International Criminal Court, a permanent   
   >>>>>>> international tribunal. It was established by the ROME STATUTE   
   >>>>>>> adopted 17 JULY 1998.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> On 11 APRIL 2002, ten countries ratified the statute at the same   
   >>>>>>> time at a special ceremony held at the United Nations   
   >>>>>>> headquarters in New York City,[21] bringing the total number of   
   >>>>>>> signatories to sixty, which was the minimum number required to   
   >>>>>>> bring the statute into force, as defined in Article 126. The   
   >>>>>>> treaty entered into force on 1 July 2002; the ICC can only   
   >>>>>>> prosecute crimes committed (vis a vis in support of the   
   >>>>>>> EUCHARIST / PENTECOST FROM    
    - SWASTIKA OBSTRUCTION as ANTI-   
   >>>>>>> STATISM impetus HIJACKING ANZAC CENTENNIAL 2018 BY MARTIN TANZER,   
   >>>>>>> ROSS JACKSON - RETURNED SERVICES LEAGUE / DARREN CHESTER /   
   >>>>>>> WELLINGTON SHIRE COUNCI ANTI-SEMITISM / VISCERAL RACIAL HATRED AS   
   >>>>>>> PERSECUTION) on or after that date. and entered into force  JULY   
   >>>>>>> 2002.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>    
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>    
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> [IMAGE SOURCE: Victorian Honour Roll of Women (2011)   
   >>>>>>> Inspirational women from all walks of life]   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> SYNAPSE QUOTIENT FOR CONSIDERATION IN MAKING AN ACCUSATION OF   
      
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