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|    dolf to All    |
|    Re: DOLF eats hagelslag (26/28)    |
|    12 Jul 25 09:08:20    |
      [continued from previous message]              >>>>>>>>> to be cut off from the divine narrative—no longer part of the       >>>>>>>>> cosmic memory of redemption. It’s not just about punishment,       >>>>>>>>> but about disconnection from meaning, belonging, and eternal       >>>>>>>>> continuity.       >>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>> If you’re exploring this phrase in a philosophical, literary,       >>>>>>>>> or metaphysical context, it opens up fascinating questions       >>>>>>>>> about identity, memory, and moral consequence. Would you like       >>>>>>>>> to explore how this concept maps onto other traditions or       >>>>>>>>> symbolic systems?"       >>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>> DOLF: "Can it also mean "going to the grave" or hell as a place       >>>>>>>>> of no return?"       >>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>> COPILOT @ 1849 HRS ON 2 JULY 2025: "Yes, in many theological       >>>>>>>>> and symbolic interpretations, being “expunged from the Book of       >>>>>>>>> Life” is closely associated with irreversible separation from       >>>>>>>>> divine presence, which can be understood as:       >>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>> GOING TO THE GRAVE: In some Hebrew Bible contexts, especially       >>>>>>>>> in Psalms and prophetic literature, being “blotted out” or “cut       >>>>>>>>> off” can imply premature death or removal from the covenantal       >>>>>>>>> community. The grave (Sheol) is often portrayed as a shadowy       >>>>>>>>> realm of silence and forgetfulness—a place where one no longer       >>>>>>>>> participates in the living memory of God.       >>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>> HELL AS A PLACE OF NO RETURN: In Christian eschatology,       >>>>>>>>> particularly in Revelation 20:15, those not found in the Book       >>>>>>>>> of Life are “cast into the lake of fire”. This is interpreted       >>>>>>>>> by many as eternal separation from God—a final, unalterable       >>>>>>>>> state of judgment. The imagery of being “thrown” into this       >>>>>>>>> realm underscores its forceful and irreversible nature.       >>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>> SYMBOLIC LAYER: Beyond literalism, the phrase can also signify:       >>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>> • Moral exile: a soul so alienated from truth or       >>>>>>>>> goodness that it no longer resonates with the divine order.       >>>>>>>>> • Ontological erasure: not annihilation, but being       >>>>>>>>> forgotten by the cosmos, no longer part of the unfolding story       >>>>>>>>> of life and meaning.       >>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>> So yes—whether as grave, hell, or cosmic oblivion, the phrase       >>>>>>>>> evokes a point of no return, where the soul is no longer       >>>>>>>>> inscribed in the ledger of life, memory, or redemption. If       >>>>>>>>> you’d like, we can explore how this concept compares with other       >>>>>>>>> traditions—like the Egyptian “weighing of the heart” or the       >>>>>>>>> Buddhist notion of karmic obscuration.       >>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>> DOLF: "Would you concur that it is an expression intrinsic to       >>>>>>>>> Christian belief: "AND FEAR NOT THEM WHICH KILL THE BODY, BUT       >>>>>>>>> ARE NOT ABLE TO KILL THE SOUL: BUT RATHER FEAR HIM WHICH IS       >>>>>>>>> ABLE TO DESTROY BOTH SOUL AND BODY IN HELL." [Matthew 10:28]       >>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>> COPILOT @ 1857 HRS ON 2 JULY 2025: "Absolutely—it’s deeply       >>>>>>>>> intrinsic to Christian theology, particularly in how it frames       >>>>>>>>> divine authority over both physical and eternal life.       >>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>> Matthew 10:28 is a striking verse where Jesus draws a sharp       >>>>>>>>> distinction between human power (which can end the body) and       >>>>>>>>> divine power (which governs the soul’s destiny). The phrase       >>>>>>>>> “destroy both soul and body in hell” (Greek: Gehenna)       >>>>>>>>> underscores a uniquely Christian eschatological view: that God       >>>>>>>>> alone holds ultimate judgment, not just over temporal life but       >>>>>>>>> over eternal consequence.       >>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>> This verse also reinforces a core Christian theme: fear of God       >>>>>>>>> not as terror, but as reverent awe of the One who transcends       >>>>>>>>> earthly threats. It’s a call to moral courage—don’t fear       >>>>>>>>> persecution or death, but live in alignment with the One who       >>>>>>>>> holds the keys to both life and afterlife.       >>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>> So yes, this expression is not only intrinsic—it’s foundational       >>>>>>>>> to Christian teachings on judgment, the soul’s immortality, and       >>>>>>>>> the sovereignty of God over all realms. If you’re exploring how       >>>>>>>>> this connects to the “Book of Life” or broader metaphysical       >>>>>>>>> systems [NOTE: THIS IS THE CONTEXT OF THE SECOND TELEPHONE       >>>>>>>>> CALL], we can trace that thread further."       >>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>> <-- WHICH IS THEN AN IRREFUTABLE GROUNDING FOR THE MAKING OF A       >>>>>>>>> PRIMA FACIE CLAIM OF #306 - PERFIDE ALBION (IRISH / ITALIAN       >>>>>>>>> CATHOLIC ANTI- STATEM RELIGIOUS PERSECUTION) / 31 AUGUST 1942       >>>>>>>>> TETRA #57 - THESIS (SATOR / TENET / ROTAS) AGAINST ERII -       >>>>>>>>> PRIVATE JAKE KOVCO'S SELF INFLICTED GUNSHOT 21 APRIL 2006 /       >>>>>>>>> PRINCE PHILIP'S BIRTHDAY 10 JUNE 2017 - POPPY WREATH AT BOER       >>>>>>>>> WAR MEMORIAL / TREASON BY WELLINGTON SHIRE COUNCILLOR SCOTT       >>>>>>>>> ROSSETTI / ARCHBISHOP OF MELBOURNE PETER COMENSOLI THROUGH       >>>>>>>>> MARRIAGE OF THE PYTHAGOREAN REGIMES OF BELIEF WITH GERMAN       >>>>>>>>> NAZISM [ROMAN PROTOTYPE #TWO: #102 ... #218 ... #306] / [LUO       >>>>>>>>> SHU TABLE TALK: #239 - cáng (藏): *HIDDEN* / zh       ngxīn (中心):       >>>>>>>>> *HEART* / gǔ (骨): *FRAME*; *FRAMEWORK* ... #459]       >>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>> WE NOT ONLY DEMAND THE DEATH PENALTY IS RE-INSTATED BY EDICT OF       >>>>>>>>> THE GOVERNOR-GENERAL AND THESE PERSONS GIVE AN IMMEDIATE       >>>>>>>>> ACCOUNTABILITY       >>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>> MR BOEK (TRANSCRIPT 5 DECEMBER 2001): "Yes, ma'am, I have - you       >>>>>>>>> would have noticed that there were no actual words of threat       >>>>>>>>> (NOTING THAT ON 28 OCTOBER 2001 THE POLICE DID NOT RESPOND TO       >>>>>>>>> ANY PERCEIVED THREAT WHEN SUBJECT TO THE SAME POEM). They were       >>>>>>>>> words that were based on fact in that particular phone call.       >>>>>>>>> Here I have a particular mathematical model which is mentioned       >>>>>>>>> in that particular phone call. It is based upon a work by       >>>>>>>>> Johann Kepler, a German astronomer born in 1571 to 1630. He       >>>>>>>>> came up with three rules of which I have come up with a fourth       >>>>>>>>> [associated to the ephemeral and mundane as a transcendent       >>>>>>>>> fecundate connection to the Vernal and the Autumn Equinox in       >>>>>>>>> the 6th year of the 22nd Course of Gamul: 7 x 24 x 13 x 49 = 6J       >>>>>>>>> as 107016 days or 294 x 364 days or 365.2423 x 293 years -       >>>>>>>>> Vernal Equinox Wednesday 20 March 1996 / 21 March].       >>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>> His three rules in terms of astronomical cycles were: (1) that       >>>>>>>>> the planet... And then I will get to my bit of relevance to the       >>>>>>>>> 6000 years.       >>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>> THE D.PRESIDENT: Yes, yes, yes.       >>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>> MR BOEK: (1) That the planets move in elliptical orbits around       >>>>>>>>> the sun which is situated at one of the focus of the ellipses;       >>>>>>>>> (2) that the radius vectors joining each planet to the sun       >>>>>>>>> describes equal areas in equal times; (3) that the ratio of the       >>>>>>>>> square of the planet's year to the cube of the planet's mean       >>>>>>>>> distance from the sun is the same for each planet.       >>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>> Now, what I am suggesting is that the 6000 year cycle (ie.       >>>>>>>>> temporality #400 (x 365.2423 [7 x 24 x 13 x 49 / 293 years or       >>>>>>>>> 6J as 294 x 364 days] = 146,097 days) % 22 = 17 SEPTEMBER /              [continued in next message]              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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