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   dolf to dolf   
   Re: DOLF eats hagelslag (26/29)   
   12 Jul 25 11:29:47   
   
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   >>>>>>>>>> 1a3) to comfort oneself, be comforted; 1a4) to comfort   
   >>>>>>>>>> oneself, ease oneself; 1b) (Piel) to comfort, console; 1c)   
   >>>>>>>>>> (Pual) to be comforted, be consoled; 1d) (Hithpael); 1d1) to   
   >>>>>>>>>> be sorry, have compassion; 1d2) to rue, repent of; 1d3) to   
   >>>>>>>>>> comfort oneself, be comforted; 1d4) to ease oneself;   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> #1181 - MALE TOTAL: #354 as [#80, #100, #70, #5, #30, #80, #9,   
   >>>>>>>>>> #7, #800] = proelpíz   
    (G4276): {UMBRA: #1182 % #41 = #34} 1)   
   >>>>>>>>>> to *HOPE* before;   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> #186 - ONTIC TOTAL: #186 as [#6, #40, #80, #50, #10] /   
   >>>>>>>>>> #206 - ONTIC TOTAL: #186 as [#6, #40, #80, #50, #10, #20] =   
   >>>>>>>>>> pânîym (H6440): {UMBRA: #180 % #41 = #16} 1) *FACE*; 1a) face,   
   >>>>>>>>>> faces; 1b) presence, person; 1c) face (of seraphim or   
   >>>>>>>>>> cherubim); 1d) face (of animals); 1e) face, surface (of   
   >>>>>>>>>> ground); 1f) as adv of loc/temp; 1f1) before and behind,   
   >>>>>>>>>> toward, in front of, forward, formerly, from beforetime,   
   >>>>>>>>>> before; 1g) with prep; 1g1) in front of, before, to the front   
   >>>>>>>>>> of, in the presence of, in the face of, at the face or front   
   >>>>>>>>>> of, from the presence of, from before, from before the face of;   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> #102 - ONTIC TOTAL: #186 as [#30, #2, #50, #20] = bên (H1121):   
   >>>>>>>>>> {UMBRA: #52 % #41 = #11} 1) son, grandson, child, member of a   
   >>>>>>>>>> group; 1a) son, male child; 1b) grandson; 1c) *CHILDREN* (pl.   
   >>>>>>>>>> - male and female); 1d) youth, young men (pl.); 1e) young (of   
   >>>>>>>>>> animals); 1f) sons (as characterisation, i.e. sons of   
   >>>>>>>>>> injustice [for un- righteous men] or sons of God [for angels];   
   >>>>>>>>>> 1g) people (of a nation) (pl.); 1h) of lifeless things, i.e.   
   >>>>>>>>>> sparks, stars, arrows (fig.); 1i) a member of a guild, order,   
   >>>>>>>>>> class;   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> #616 - ONTIC TOTAL: #186 as [#40, #10, #50, #10, #100, #6,   
   >>>>>>>>>> #400] = yânaq (H3243): {UMBRA: #160 % #41 = #37} 1) to suckle,   
   >>>>>>>>>> nurse, suck; 1a) (Qal); 1a1) to suck; 1a2) suckling, *BABE*   
   >>>>>>>>>> (subst); 1b) (Hiphil); 1b1) to give suck to, nurse; 1b2)   
   >>>>>>>>>> nursing, nursing woman, nurse (participle);   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> #599 - ONTIC TOTAL: #186 as [#1, #3, #1, #80, #8, #200, #1,   
   >>>>>>>>>> #300, #5] /   
   >>>>>>>>>> #980 - ONTIC TOTAL: #352 as [#1, #3, #1, #80, #800, #40, #5,   
   >>>>>>>>>> #50] = agapá   
    (G25): {UMBRA: #886 % #41 = #25} 1) of persons;   
   >>>>>>>>>> 1a) to welcome, to entertain, to be fond of, *TO* *LOVE*   
   >>>>>>>>>> *DEARLY*; 2) of things; 2a) to be well pleased, to be   
   >>>>>>>>>> contented at or with a thing;   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> #1172 - FEME TOTAL: #281 as [#6, #30, #40, #6, #80, #400, #10,   
   >>>>>>>>>> #600] = môwphêth (H4159): {UMBRA: #526 % #41 = #34} 1) wonder,   
   >>>>>>>>>> sign, miracle, portent; 1a) *WONDER* (*AS* *A* *SPECIAL*   
   >>>>>>>>>> *DISPLAY* *OF* *GOD'S* *POWER*); 1b) sign, token (of future   
   >>>>>>>>>> event);   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> #1141 - MALE TOTAL: #343 as [#70, #6, #50, #400, #10, #5,   
   >>>>>>>>>> #600] = ʻâvôn (H5771): {UMBRA: #126 % #41 = #3} 1) perversity,   
   >>>>>>>>>> depravity, iniquity, guilt or punishment of iniquity; 1a)   
   >>>>>>>>>> iniquity; 1b) guilt of iniquity, guilt (as great), guilt (of   
   >>>>>>>>>> condition); 1c) *CONSEQUENCE* *OF* *OR* *PUNISHMENT* *FOR*   
   >>>>>>>>>> *INIQUITY*;   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> DOLF: "What is the meaning of the phrase: "EXPUNGED FROM THE   
   >>>>>>>>>> BOOK OF LIFE"?"   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> COPILOT @ 1847 HRS ON 2 JULY 2025: "The phrase "expunged from   
   >>>>>>>>>> the Book of Life" carries deep symbolic and theological   
   >>>>>>>>>> weight, especially within Judeo-Christian traditions. Here's a   
   >>>>>>>>>> breakdown of its layered meaning:   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> THE "BOOK OF LIFE": This is a metaphorical or spiritual ledger   
   >>>>>>>>>> mentioned in both the Hebrew Bible and the New Testament. It   
   >>>>>>>>>> represents a divine record of those who are destined for   
   >>>>>>>>>> eternal life, righteousness, or divine favor.   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>      •    In Exodus 32:32–33, Moses pleads with God to   
   forgive   
   >>>>>>>>>> Israel’s sin or else “blot me out of the book You have   
   written.”   
   >>>>>>>>>>      •    In Psalm 69:28, David prays that the wicked be   
   >>>>>>>>>> “blotted out of the Book of Life.”   
   >>>>>>>>>>      •    In Revelation 3:5, Jesus promises not to blot   
   out   
   >>>>>>>>>> the name of the one who overcomes.   
   >>>>>>>>>>      •    Revelation 20:15 warns that anyone not found in   
   the   
   >>>>>>>>>> Book of Life is cast into the lake of fire.   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> "EXPUNGED" — A LEGAL AND MORAL SEVERANCE: To be expunged means   
   >>>>>>>>>> to be completely erased, as if one’s name was never there. In   
   >>>>>>>>>> this context, it implies:   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>      •    Loss of divine favor or salvation   
   >>>>>>>>>>      •    Severance from the community of the righteous   
   >>>>>>>>>>      •    A moral or spiritual disqualification, often   
   due to   
   >>>>>>>>>> persistent rebellion, corruption, or tampering with sacred   
   >>>>>>>>>> truth (as in Revelation 22:19)   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> INTERPRETIVE NUANCES: There’s debate among theologians about   
   >>>>>>>>>> whether names can truly be removed:   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>      •    Some argue the Book is immutable—those   
   written in it   
   >>>>>>>>>> are eternally secure.   
   >>>>>>>>>>      •    Others see the warnings as real: apostasy or   
   grave   
   >>>>>>>>>> sin could lead to expulsion.   
   >>>>>>>>>>      •    Some interpret the phrase as litotes—a   
   rhetorical   
   >>>>>>>>>> device meaning “your name will certainly remain” by stating   
   >>>>>>>>>> the opposite won’t happen.   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> SYMBOLIC IMPLICATION: To be “expunged from the Book of Life”   
   >>>>>>>>>> is to be cut off from the divine narrative—no longer part of   
   >>>>>>>>>> the cosmic memory of redemption. It’s not just about   
   >>>>>>>>>> punishment, but about disconnection from meaning, belonging,   
   >>>>>>>>>> and eternal continuity.   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> If you’re exploring this phrase in a philosophical, literary,   
   >>>>>>>>>> or metaphysical context, it opens up fascinating questions   
   >>>>>>>>>> about identity, memory, and moral consequence. Would you like   
   >>>>>>>>>> to explore how this concept maps onto other traditions or   
   >>>>>>>>>> symbolic systems?"   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> DOLF: "Can it also mean "going to the grave" or hell as a   
   >>>>>>>>>> place of no return?"   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> COPILOT @ 1849 HRS ON 2 JULY 2025: "Yes, in many theological   
   >>>>>>>>>> and symbolic interpretations, being “expunged from the Book of   
   >>>>>>>>>> Life” is closely associated with irreversible separation from   
   >>>>>>>>>> divine presence, which can be understood as:   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> GOING TO THE GRAVE: In some Hebrew Bible contexts, especially   
   >>>>>>>>>> in Psalms and prophetic literature, being “blotted out” or   
   >>>>>>>>>> “cut off” can imply premature death or removal from the   
   >>>>>>>>>> covenantal community. The grave (Sheol) is often portrayed as   
   >>>>>>>>>> a shadowy realm of silence and forgetfulness—a place where one   
   >>>>>>>>>> no longer participates in the living memory of God.   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> HELL AS A PLACE OF NO RETURN: In Christian eschatology,   
   >>>>>>>>>> particularly in Revelation 20:15, those not found in the Book   
      
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