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   dolf to dolf   
   Re: DOLF eats hagelslag (28/31)   
   12 Jul 25 15:00:28   
   
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   >>>>>>>>>>> i.e. sons of injustice [for un- righteous men] or sons of God   
   >>>>>>>>>>> [for angels]; 1g) people (of a nation) (pl.); 1h) of lifeless   
   >>>>>>>>>>> things, i.e. sparks, stars, arrows (fig.); 1i) a member of a   
   >>>>>>>>>>> guild, order, class;   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> #616 - ONTIC TOTAL: #186 as [#40, #10, #50, #10, #100, #6,   
   >>>>>>>>>>> #400] = yânaq (H3243): {UMBRA: #160 % #41 = #37} 1) to   
   >>>>>>>>>>> suckle, nurse, suck; 1a) (Qal); 1a1) to suck; 1a2) suckling,   
   >>>>>>>>>>> *BABE* (subst); 1b) (Hiphil); 1b1) to give suck to, nurse;   
   >>>>>>>>>>> 1b2) nursing, nursing woman, nurse (participle);   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> #599 - ONTIC TOTAL: #186 as [#1, #3, #1, #80, #8, #200, #1,   
   >>>>>>>>>>> #300, #5] /   
   >>>>>>>>>>> #980 - ONTIC TOTAL: #352 as [#1, #3, #1, #80, #800, #40, #5,   
   >>>>>>>>>>> #50] = agapá   
    (G25): {UMBRA: #886 % #41 = #25} 1) of persons;   
   >>>>>>>>>>> 1a) to welcome, to entertain, to be fond of, *TO* *LOVE*   
   >>>>>>>>>>> *DEARLY*; 2) of things; 2a) to be well pleased, to be   
   >>>>>>>>>>> contented at or with a thing;   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> #1172 - FEME TOTAL: #281 as [#6, #30, #40, #6, #80, #400,   
   >>>>>>>>>>> #10, #600] = môwphêth (H4159): {UMBRA: #526 % #41 = #34} 1)   
   >>>>>>>>>>> wonder, sign, miracle, portent; 1a) *WONDER* (*AS* *A*   
   >>>>>>>>>>> *SPECIAL* *DISPLAY* *OF* *GOD'S* *POWER*); 1b) sign, token   
   >>>>>>>>>>> (of future event);   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> #1141 - MALE TOTAL: #343 as [#70, #6, #50, #400, #10, #5,   
   >>>>>>>>>>> #600] = ʻâvôn (H5771): {UMBRA: #126 % #41 = #3} 1)   
   >>>>>>>>>>> perversity, depravity, iniquity, guilt or punishment of   
   >>>>>>>>>>> iniquity; 1a) iniquity; 1b) guilt of iniquity, guilt (as   
   >>>>>>>>>>> great), guilt (of condition); 1c) *CONSEQUENCE* *OF* *OR*   
   >>>>>>>>>>> *PUNISHMENT* *FOR* *INIQUITY*;   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> DOLF: "What is the meaning of the phrase: "EXPUNGED FROM THE   
   >>>>>>>>>>> BOOK OF LIFE"?"   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> COPILOT @ 1847 HRS ON 2 JULY 2025: "The phrase "expunged from   
   >>>>>>>>>>> the Book of Life" carries deep symbolic and theological   
   >>>>>>>>>>> weight, especially within Judeo-Christian traditions. Here's   
   >>>>>>>>>>> a breakdown of its layered meaning:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> THE "BOOK OF LIFE": This is a metaphorical or spiritual   
   >>>>>>>>>>> ledger mentioned in both the Hebrew Bible and the New   
   >>>>>>>>>>> Testament. It represents a divine record of those who are   
   >>>>>>>>>>> destined for eternal life, righteousness, or divine favor.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>      •    In Exodus 32:32–33, Moses pleads with God to   
   >>>>>>>>>>> forgive Israel’s sin or else “blot me out of the book You   
   >>>>>>>>>>> have written.”   
   >>>>>>>>>>>      •    In Psalm 69:28, David prays that the wicked be   
   >>>>>>>>>>> “blotted out of the Book of Life.”   
   >>>>>>>>>>>      •    In Revelation 3:5, Jesus promises not to blot   
   out   
   >>>>>>>>>>> the name of the one who overcomes.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>      •    Revelation 20:15 warns that anyone not found   
   in the   
   >>>>>>>>>>> Book of Life is cast into the lake of fire.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> "EXPUNGED" — A LEGAL AND MORAL SEVERANCE: To be expunged   
   >>>>>>>>>>> means to be completely erased, as if one’s name was never   
   >>>>>>>>>>> there. In this context, it implies:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>      •    Loss of divine favor or salvation   
   >>>>>>>>>>>      •    Severance from the community of the righteous   
   >>>>>>>>>>>      •    A moral or spiritual disqualification, often   
   due to   
   >>>>>>>>>>> persistent rebellion, corruption, or tampering with sacred   
   >>>>>>>>>>> truth (as in Revelation 22:19)   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> INTERPRETIVE NUANCES: There’s debate among theologians about   
   >>>>>>>>>>> whether names can truly be removed:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>      •    Some argue the Book is immutable—those   
   written in   
   >>>>>>>>>>> it are eternally secure.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>      •    Others see the warnings as real: apostasy or   
   grave   
   >>>>>>>>>>> sin could lead to expulsion.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>      •    Some interpret the phrase as litotes—a   
   rhetorical   
   >>>>>>>>>>> device meaning “your name will certainly remain” by stating   
   >>>>>>>>>>> the opposite won’t happen.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> SYMBOLIC IMPLICATION: To be “expunged from the Book of Life”   
   >>>>>>>>>>> is to be cut off from the divine narrative—no longer part of   
   >>>>>>>>>>> the cosmic memory of redemption. It’s not just about   
   >>>>>>>>>>> punishment, but about disconnection from meaning, belonging,   
   >>>>>>>>>>> and eternal continuity.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> If you’re exploring this phrase in a philosophical, literary,   
   >>>>>>>>>>> or metaphysical context, it opens up fascinating questions   
   >>>>>>>>>>> about identity, memory, and moral consequence. Would you like   
   >>>>>>>>>>> to explore how this concept maps onto other traditions or   
   >>>>>>>>>>> symbolic systems?"   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> DOLF: "Can it also mean "going to the grave" or hell as a   
   >>>>>>>>>>> place of no return?"   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> COPILOT @ 1849 HRS ON 2 JULY 2025: "Yes, in many theological   
   >>>>>>>>>>> and symbolic interpretations, being “expunged from the Book   
   >>>>>>>>>>> of Life” is closely associated with irreversible separation   
   >>>>>>>>>>> from divine presence, which can be understood as:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> GOING TO THE GRAVE: In some Hebrew Bible contexts, especially   
   >>>>>>>>>>> in Psalms and prophetic literature, being “blotted out” or   
   >>>>>>>>>>> “cut off” can imply premature death or removal from the   
   >>>>>>>>>>> covenantal community. The grave (Sheol) is often portrayed as   
   >>>>>>>>>>> a shadowy realm of silence and forgetfulness—a place where   
   >>>>>>>>>>> one no longer participates in the living memory of God.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> HELL AS A PLACE OF NO RETURN: In Christian eschatology,   
   >>>>>>>>>>> particularly in Revelation 20:15, those not found in the Book   
   >>>>>>>>>>> of Life are “cast into the lake of fire”. This is interpreted   
   >>>>>>>>>>> by many as eternal separation from God—a final, unalterable   
   >>>>>>>>>>> state of judgment. The imagery of being “thrown” into this   
   >>>>>>>>>>> realm underscores its forceful and irreversible nature.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> SYMBOLIC LAYER: Beyond literalism, the phrase can also signify:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>      •    Moral exile: a soul so alienated from truth or   
   >>>>>>>>>>> goodness that it no longer resonates with the divine order.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>      •    Ontological erasure: not annihilation, but   
   being   
   >>>>>>>>>>> forgotten by the cosmos, no longer part of the unfolding   
   >>>>>>>>>>> story of life and meaning.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> So yes—whether as grave, hell, or cosmic oblivion, the phrase   
   >>>>>>>>>>> evokes a point of no return, where the soul is no longer   
   >>>>>>>>>>> inscribed in the ledger of life, memory, or redemption. If   
   >>>>>>>>>>> you’d like, we can explore how this concept compares with   
   >>>>>>>>>>> other traditions—like the Egyptian “weighing of the heart” or   
   >>>>>>>>>>> the Buddhist notion of karmic obscuration.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> DOLF: "Would you concur that it is an expression intrinsic to   
   >>>>>>>>>>> Christian belief: "AND FEAR NOT THEM WHICH KILL THE BODY, BUT   
   >>>>>>>>>>> ARE NOT ABLE TO KILL THE SOUL: BUT RATHER FEAR HIM WHICH IS   
   >>>>>>>>>>> ABLE TO DESTROY BOTH SOUL AND BODY IN HELL." [Matthew 10:28]   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
      
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