XPost: talk.politics.guns, alt.politics.usa.constitution, alt.america   
   XPost: sac.politics   
   From: remailer@domain.invalid   
      
   >   
   > On 4/7/2018 8:59 AM, benj wrote:   
   >> On 4/6/2018 7:05 PM, bigdog wrote:   
   >>> On Friday, April 6, 2018 at 4:21:27 PM UTC-4, benj wrote:   
   >>>> On 4/6/2018 1:01 PM, bigdog wrote:   
   >>>>> It is really hard to understand that people cannot understand   
   that the first   
   >>>>> clause which states the purpose of the amendment in no way   
   limits the second   
   >>>>> clause which unequivocally states that the right of the people   
   to keep and   
   >>>>> bear arms shall not be infringed. My late father was a   
   linguist who on   
   >>>>> numerous occasions was called to testify in court about the   
   meaning of the   
   >>>>> words in a statute or a contract. He was also a life long   
   liberal but even   
   >>>>> he didn't interpret the Second Amendment as limiting RKBA to   
   service in a   
   >>>>> militia.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>> Of course the supreme court has opined that the 2nd amendment   
   refers to   
   >>>> a "right of the people" which is identical with all other   
   rights in the   
   >>>> Bill of Rights that say "people". Even the dissent said that.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> So any lib saying that it only means that states can have a   
   militia is   
   >>>> either extremely stupid or extremely dishonest. You pick which   
   one.   
   >>>   
   >>> If the purpose of 2a was to empower the states to form a militia   
   it was   
   >>> superfluous because the original Constitution had already done   
   that. Article   
   >>> 1, Section 7-16 states the powers of Congress:   
   >>>   
   >>> "To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the   
   Militia, and for   
   >>> governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of   
   the United   
   >>> States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of   
   the Officers,   
   >>> and the Authority of training the Militia according to the   
   discipline   
   >>> prescribed by Congress;"   
   >>>   
   >>> The militia would be subject to being called up by the federal   
   government but   
   >>> each state was empowered to form and train the militia and   
   appoint the officers.   
   >>>   
   >> And indeed some states do just that.   
   >   
   > *NO* states do that any longer.  "The" militia, as conceived of in   
   the 18th   
   > century, no longer exists in fact.   
      
   You lying piece of shit.  Even the gun-hater-grabbing states like   
   Connecticunt still have militias - and they are growing.   
      
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