XPost: talk.politics.guns, alt.politics.usa.constitution, alt.america   
   XPost: sac.politics   
   From: invalid@invalid.invalid   
      
   Rudy Canoza Neodome Forger wrote:   
   >>   
   >> On 4/7/2018 8:59 AM, benj wrote:   
   >>> On 4/6/2018 7:05 PM, bigdog wrote:   
   >>>> On Friday, April 6, 2018 at 4:21:27 PM UTC-4, benj wrote:   
   >>>>> On 4/6/2018 1:01 PM, bigdog wrote:   
   >>>>>> It is really hard to understand that people cannot understand   
   > that the first   
   >>>>>> clause which states the purpose of the amendment in no way   
   > limits the second   
   >>>>>> clause which unequivocally states that the right of the people   
   > to keep and   
   >>>>>> bear arms shall not be infringed. My late father was a   
   > linguist who on   
   >>>>>> numerous occasions was called to testify in court about the   
   > meaning of the   
   >>>>>> words in a statute or a contract. He was also a life long   
   > liberal but even   
   >>>>>> he didn't interpret the Second Amendment as limiting RKBA to   
   > service in a   
   >>>>>> militia.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>> Of course the supreme court has opined that the 2nd amendment   
   > refers to   
   >>>>> a "right of the people" which is identical with all other   
   > rights in the   
   >>>>> Bill of Rights that say "people". Even the dissent said that.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> So any lib saying that it only means that states can have a   
   > militia is   
   >>>>> either extremely stupid or extremely dishonest. You pick which   
   > one.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> If the purpose of 2a was to empower the states to form a militia   
   > it was   
   >>>> superfluous because the original Constitution had already done   
   > that. Article   
   >>>> 1, Section 7-16 states the powers of Congress:   
   >>>>   
   >>>> "To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the   
   > Militia, and for   
   >>>> governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of   
   > the United   
   >>>> States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of   
   > the Officers,   
   >>>> and the Authority of training the Militia according to the   
   > discipline   
   >>>> prescribed by Congress;"   
   >>>>   
   >>>> The militia would be subject to being called up by the federal   
   > government but   
   >>>> each state was empowered to form and train the militia and   
   > appoint the officers.   
   >>>>   
   >>> And indeed some states do just that.   
   >>   
   >> *NO* states do that any longer.  "The" militia, as conceived of in   
   > the 18th   
   >> century, no longer exists in fact.   
   >   
   > You lying piece of shit.  Even the gun-hater-grabbing states like   
   > Connecticunt still have militias - and they are growing.   
   >   
      
   "growing" HAHHAHHA   
      
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