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|    Gentleman Jim to All    |
|    'Degenerate' Fag DeSantis Isn't White Hi    |
|    22 Sep 23 02:14:29    |
      XPost: alt.politics.trump, sac.politics, alt.politics.usa.republican       XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, talk.politics.guns       From: nowomr@protonmail.com              He needs to admit that our Framers would have considered him a nigger.              Italians were thrust into a country where being one and not the other       meant the difference between finding economic success, safety and       acceptance.              Like the Irish, another immigrant group that arrived in the United States       during this time, Italians were not perceived as white. They were, as       historians James Barrett and David Roediger call them, “inbetween people."       But once Italians gained an awareness of what whiteness could bring them,       they embraced it, the authors say.              There is proof Italians didn’t always see themselves as white. In the       1880s, Italian immigrants occupied the East Harlem section of Manhattan.       There still stands Church of Our Lady Mount Carmel on 116th street, one       block from the East River, a vestige of that time. A giant festa took       place in the neighborhood on the streets surrounding the church, to honor       and celebrate the Madonna, an important figure for Italians.              But what started out as a party that drew “immigrants from all over       southern Italy” became an important plot point in how Italians learned to       navigate the shifting lines of race in America.              The following selection from Roediger’s book Colored White tell the story       of how a neighborhood rejected what they believed to be a black stain on       their path to whiteness. More from Splinter       Charlottesville Was a Preview of the Future of the Republican Party       The real story behind 'Okay Guy,' the viral meme that's blowing up Vine       What Time Does the Game of Thrones Traffic End?       A complete history of the phrase 'paddy wagon,' the surviving       Irish-American slur               The festa surrounding the Church of Our Lady of Mount Carmel there had        its roots in devotions begun by immigrants from Pollo, near Naples, in        the 1880s. The celebration in the Virgin's honor, so brilliantly        described in the work of Robert Orsi, became the "central communal        event" in Italian Harlem, "drawing immigrants from all over southern        Italy." As Italian Americans…who were "finally well-off enough to get        out" left the neighborhood (and often their parents) after World War        II, ties of ethnicity and family became still more bound up with        rituals of return to the festa. According to Orsi, the Puerto Ricans        who transformed the area into Spanish Harlem had to be imagined as        pushing out the Italians who left. Because of their "proximity" to        Italian Americans in color, language, and (for a time, around        Marcantonio) politics, Puerto Ricans represented a particular threat        to the security of Italian American whiteness. One strategy in        policing the line between Italian Americans and Puerto Ricans was to        keep the latter unwelcome at the festa to the Madonna of 115th street.        Indeed, Orsi adds, this racial imperative was so strong that the        darker, but less "proximate" and therefore less threatening, Haitians        could be included in the festa and could been be considered not so        "black" as the Puerto Ricans. St. Ann's Parish in East Harlem        featured, in the image of San Benedetto (or "Il Moro," as he was known        in southern Italy), perhaps the most dramatic statue of a Black        Italian saint in the United States. The son of slaves brought to        Sicily from Ethiopia in the sixteenth century, Benedetto's feast day        was marked early in the century with some African Americans included        in the Harlem festivities. Indeed, his transplantation to New York        City suggests the possibility of a road not taken toward an        egalitarian pan-Latin challenge to the hyper-whiteness of holiness.        Italian Americans more typically took a road to white identity, and in        many cases, to the suburbs. Puerto Rican worshippers inherited the        statue, although a few Italian Americans persist in the parish.        Elsewhere, San Benedetto became known as St. Benedict the Black, the        patron saint of African Americans.              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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