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|    Trump Is A Common Rapist - A Crimin to All    |
|    Defendant Trump Was Convicted of Rape, B    |
|    22 Sep 23 02:30:55    |
      XPost: alt.politics.trump, sac.politics, alt.politics.usa.republican       XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, talk.politics.guns       From: nowomr@protonmail.com              Judge clarifies: Yes, Trump was found to have raped E. Jean Carroll       Analysis by Aaron Blake       Staff writer       July 19, 2023 at 1:15 p.m. EDT                     After Donald Trump was found liable for sexually abusing and defaming E.       Jean Carroll, his legal team and his defenders lodged a frequent talking       point.              Despite Carroll’s claims that Trump had raped her, they noted, the jury       stopped short of saying he committed that particular offense. Instead,       jurors opted for a second option: sexual abuse.              “This was a rape claim, this was a rape case all along, and the jury       rejected that — made other findings,” his lawyer, Joe Tacopina, said       outside the courthouse.              A judge has now clarified that this is basically a legal distinction       without a real-world difference. He says that what the jury found Trump       did was in fact rape, as commonly understood.              The filing from Judge Lewis A. Kaplan came as Trump’s attorneys have       sought a new trial and have argued that the jury’s $5 million verdict       against Trump in the civil suit was excessive. The reason, they argue, is       that sexual abuse could be as limited as the “groping” of a victim’s       breasts.              Kaplan roundly rejected Trump’s motion Tuesday, calling that argument       “entirely unpersuasive.”              “The finding that Ms. Carroll failed to prove that she was ‘raped’ within       the meaning of the New York Penal Law does not mean that she failed to       prove that Mr. Trump ‘raped’ her as many people commonly understand the       word ‘rape,’ ” Kaplan wrote.              He added: “Indeed, as the evidence at trial recounted below makes clear,       the jury found that Mr. Trump in fact did exactly that.”              Kaplan said New York’s legal definition of “rape” is “far narrower” than       the word is understood in “common modern parlance.”              The former requires forcible, unconsented-to penetration with one’s penis.       But he said that the conduct the jury effectively found Trump liable for —       forced digital penetration — meets a more common definition of rape. He       cited definitions offered by the American Psychological Association and       the Justice Department, which in 2012 expanded its definition of rape to       include penetration “with any body part or object.”              Kaplan also flatly rejected the Trump team’s suggestion that the conduct       Trump was found liable for might have been as limited as groping of the       breasts.              The reason? Trump was not accused of that, so the only alleged offense       that would have qualified as “sexual abuse” was forced digital       penetration. Beyond that, Trump was accused of putting his mouth on       Carroll’s mouth and pulling down her tights, which Kaplan noted were not       treated as alleged sexual abuse at trial.              “The jury’s finding of sexual abuse therefore necessarily implies that it       found that Mr. Trump forcibly penetrated her vagina,” Kaplan wrote,       calling it the “only remaining conclusion.”              Kaplan also noted that the verdict form did not ask the jury to decide       exactly what conduct Trump had committed, and that neither prosecutors nor       Trump’s lawyers had requested it to do so.              “Mr. Trump’s attempt to minimize the sexual abuse finding as perhaps       resting on nothing more than groping of Ms. Carroll’s breasts through her       clothing is frivolous,” Kaplan wrote.              He added that the jury clearly found that Trump had “ ‘raped’ her in the       sense of that term broader than the New York Penal Law definition.”              The motion was a part of Trump’s efforts to appeal the verdict against       him. That’s an effort that will apparently continue as he faces a separate       defamation lawsuit from Carroll, dealing with claims Trump made about her       allegations while he was still president.              But for now, Trump’s effort to push back has led to a rather remarkable       clarification that severely undercuts his main talking point. By Aaron       Blake Aaron Blake is senior political reporter, writing for The Fix. A       Minnesota native, he has also written about politics for the Minneapolis       Star Tribune and The Hill newspaper.              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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