XPost: rec.arts.drwho   
   From: blueshirt@indigo.news   
      
   Mickmane wrote:   
      
   > On 05.05.25, Blueshirt   wrote:   
   > > Mickmane wrote:   
   > >> On 04.05.25, Blueshirt   wrote:   
   > >>>   
   > >>> Yes, we all knew that Conrad was going to be a bit of a   
   > >>> bastard...   
   > >>   
   > >> I didn't.   
   > >   
   > > It's TV... Nobody is THAT nice and smarmy without having some   
   > > agenda.   
   >   
   > Meh. I object! If it's that predictable, it should not be used.   
      
   Well, I am sure some people might have thought Conrad was a   
   genuine bloke and that himself and Ruby would live happily ever   
   after.   
      
   I didn't!   
      
   > > It's a trope! ;-)   
   >   
   > Lame.   
      
   There will always be some sort of trope in an ongoing TV series.   
   A seemingly good guy that is really a bad guy is fairly common.   
      
   > >>> Oh, and beware of fake news too... we all know about that   
   > >>> one don't we? So never believe what they tell you. It's   
   > >>> all a conspiracy! #DemandTheTruth   
   > >>   
   > >> Yeah, Soap boxing, sigh. Reminded me of good old Quincy,   
   > >> where every episode was about one soap box or another.   
   > >   
   > > It's TV... There has to be a 'message' in everything!   
   >   
   > I object!   
      
   A script is telling a story, there will usually be some sort of   
   message. Okay, maybe sometimes it can be a bit more in your face   
   these days as writers and producers think we are all stupid. But   
   Doctor Who having a message is nothing new... for instance, "The   
   Green Death" (from 1973) had a message in the script and it   
   worked well within the story... it was not in-your-face "soap   
   boxing" the way modern TV shows go about it.   
      
   > > Just as there's always a twist at the end, there's always a   
   > > message to get across.   
   >   
   > If it's that predictable, it's no longer a valid element of a   
   > story.   
      
   Depends on what the message is and how good the actual story   
   that it's wrapped up in is. It doesn't always have to be a   
   political allegory...  but there's usually some sort of a   
   message somewhere, even if it's only subtle. Unfortunately RTD   
   doesn't tend to do subtle!   
      
   > >>> as well as being a [kind of] prequel setting up "The War   
   > >>> Between the Land and the Sea"   
   > > >   
   > >> What? What did I miss?   
   > >   
   > > Nothing yet. Prequel means before...   
   >   
   > But you said something about setting up. What was there that   
   > set up anything?   
      
   The spin-off show "The War Between the Land and the Sea", which   
   will feature the UNIT characters featured in this episode... as   
   well as the Sea Devils.   
      
   (This has been mentioned here before.)   
      
   > > Stay tuned until November/December for the answer.   
   >   
   > What? Why then?   
      
   That's when "The War Between the Land and the Sea" will be   
   broadcast...   
      
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