XPost: rec.arts.drwho   
   From: solar.penguin@gmail.com   
      
   The True loon’s lack of logic loomed larger:   
      
   > On 26/11/2025 09:23, solar penguin wrote:   
      
   You forgot to change it to ‘solar imbecile’! Please try harder!   
      
   >>   
   >> The True loon twisted himself into loops:   
   >>   
   >>> On 25/11/2025 12:19, solar penguin wrote:   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Who says the laser reflectors, moon buggies, etc. were   
   >>>> still in the same positions as before? I don’t remember that   
   >>>> in the episode.   
   >>>   
   >>> Because that's where they are now   
   >>   
   >> But will they continue to be there after 2049?   
   >>   
   >   
   > We were shown images of the face of the re-formed moon with the exact   
   > same craters in the exact same places they are now.   
   >   
      
   And that is a real problem with the episode. The craters aren’t   
   a natural part of the moon, but the result of meteors hitting it.   
      
   You should’ve gone with that instead of nonsense about NASA’s   
   lunar junk.   
      
   >>> If they were so much as a millimetre out of place then the whole   
   >>> world would have been completely unrecognisable.   
   >>>   
   >>   
   >> I think the other events of the episode would change the world   
   >> far more than the position of some lunar junk.   
   >   
   > Wrong. You demonstrate that you have no understanding of Chaos Theory.   
   >   
      
   You demonstrate that you have no understanding of your own   
   posts. Further down you ask: “Why wasn't the Earth thrown out   
   of orbit and ripped apart by earthquakes and huge tidal waves   
   and tsunamis when 90% of the mass of the moon flew away?”   
      
   That would have a _much_ bigger effect than NASA no longer   
   knowing where its moon junk is!   
      
   >>   
   >> Did RTD specifically say that Liz Shaw was on the moon during   
   >> the specific events of this specific episode?   
   >>   
   >   
   > He said she was based on the Moon during the Sarah Jane Adventures.   
   >   
   >> And if he did, how did he know? This was long after he left the   
   >> show. His personal opinion doesn’t change anything.   
   >   
   > It's mentioned at the end of the SJA episode he wrote featuring Matt Smith.   
   >   
      
   That was around 2010. ‘Kill the Moon’ is set in 2049. This gives   
   Liz nearly 40 years to return from the moon and die of old age   
   or whatever.   
      
   >>   
   >>>>   
   >>>> With all the real problems in that episode, why make up   
   >>>> fake ones?   
   >>>>   
   >>>   
   >>> It's not a fake one. Any episode where you gain wight in free fall   
   >>> instead of becoming weightless violates the laws of physics, and   
   >>> therefore this episode is not part of Doctor Who.   
   >>   
   >> That’s a _different_ problem. It has nothing to do with lunar junk   
   >> or Liz Shaw.   
   >   
   > It's still a problem with the episode   
      
   And you should’ve gone with that instead of your made-up   
   fake problems.   
      
   > which means that nothing from that   
   > episode onwards can be considered to have actually happened.   
      
   No, it means that this was a disappointing episode. In a show   
   that’s lasted as long as Doctor Who, there are always bound to   
   be some disappointing episodes, just by the law of averages.   
      
   > There is no possible way to suspend disbelief.   
   >   
      
   Your imagination is too small. I can think of at least two ways   
   to do it.   
      
   >>   
   >> (It’s also another fake problem. Doctor Who has been violating   
   >> physics ever since that police box turned out to be bigger on   
   >> the inside! Why start making a fuss about it now?)   
   >>   
   >   
   > The reason why the TARDIS is bigger on the inside has been explained   
   > multiple times including at the start of The Robots of Death, therefore   
   > there is suspension of disbelief. It also does not affect anything on   
   > Earth.   
   >   
      
   So a bit of handwaving technobabble years after the problem is   
   enough to solve it.   
      
   If a future episode has a line saying that space dragons’ ovaries   
   extend into a parallel dimension, would that be enough to bring   
   ‘Kill the Moon’ and everything that follows back into canon?   
      
   > Why wasn't the Earth thrown out of orbit and ripped apart by earthquakes   
   > and huge tidal waves and tsunamis when 90% of the mass of the moon flew   
   > away?   
      
   Yes, that’s a real problem. You should’ve gone with that instead   
   of Liz Shaw and NASA’s junk.   
      
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